Ascending The Tower – Episode XVIII, Part 2 – “You Have to Baptize Cowboys”

In part 2 of their talk with Nathan Duffy and Michael Pascal, Anthony, Nick, and E. Antony delve into the structures of Orthodox churches, then begin to build up an Americanite Catholicism using that framework. They wrap up with the first Out of Left Field Question since 2016!

*Apologies for the audio issues with this episode, Anthony is still working out some kinks recording on his new PC. Nick apologizes specifically for his chair and pen.

Notes:

2:55 Matthew Heimbach and the heresy of phyletism
12:27 How do national Orthodox churches work?
19:56 Does a “Western” Orthodoxy even make sense?
35:09 Imagining an Americanite Catholic “tradition”
50:32 Aspect of Americanite Catholicism – Blessed Virgin Mary as our Patroness
1:16:38 Out of Left Field – The Convert’s Dilemma
1:45:08 Final Thoughts from the panel

Related Show Links:
Music:
Opening Music: “Vial (Reprise) – The Cassini Projekt (excerpt)
https://www.jamendo.com/track/1318055/vial-reprise

Closing Music: “Fiore d’Inchiostro” – Mattia Vlad Morleo
https://www.jamendo.com/track/1305561/fiore-d-inchiostro

Nathan Duffy
@TheIllegit

Michael Pascal
@MichaelPascal21

Nathan Duffy at Thermidor
http://thermidormag.com/author/nathan/

Background on Phyletism and the Bulgarians of Constantinople
http://ocl.org/the-1872-council-of-constantinople-and-phyletism/

Autocephaly
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Autocephaly

Entrance of the Theotokos to the Temple
https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/worship/the-church-year/entrance-of-the-theotokos-to-the-temple

The Council of Florence, from both perspectives
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06111a.htm
http://orthodoxyinfo.org/CouncilOfFlorence.htm

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5 Comments

  1. Enjoyed especially the idea of LARPing a culture into existence circa 43:00.

    For Catholics in America, look no further than FSSP. I didn’t grow up going to Latin Mass, and I’m guessing most in attendance didn’t either. Many families have 5, 6, 7, 12 kids. In 20 years they will need to build new church buildings when everyone comes home for Christmas.

    It’s very exciting to be part of a community that is also a movement. FSSP parishioners are very intentionally living this way: an implicit rejection of modernity (although I don’t know if everyone would articulate it as such, or is even aware of it), and I’m blessed to have found such a great expression of Catholicism.

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  2. Referring back to that original comment you responded to in the first episode of this series about racialism and the church, I do know of one genuinely non-European saint. I don’t know how important he is exactly, but his name is St. Moses the Black. He was an Ethiopian I believe. That’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head though, so I think the points you made still stand true.

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    1. Chiraqi Insurgent October 28, 2017 at 5:01 pm

      I’d much prefer a black Pope (as in African, not the Jesuit Superior General) who is orthodox to a white one like Francis, who spits out heresy with practically every breath. But that doesn’t mean millions Africans/Arabs/whatever should migrate to Europe, even if they happen to be Catholic. That priest didn’t understand the difference.

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  3. Great podcast! Lovely work! Let’s not forget about the patrimony that we have in the Anglican Church. Sure it is a divided and failed group, but it has had and has a unique administrative model that is particularly situated in the idea of a national church. Perhaps the Anglican model without all the division would be of more interest than the Orthodox Church due to its almost exclusively western perspective.

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  4. Here is a Reply Video I made and published to Youtube. My reply focuses on the history of the Catholic Archdiocese of Milwaukee, which is a story of the diocese losing German and Polish ethnic identities in its parishes.

    https://youtu.be/KhHSNTnIApc

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