Myth Of The 20th Century – Episode 26: Vatican II, The Catholic Reformation

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Notes:

The Second Vatican Council, begun in 1962 after years of planning and nearly a century after Vatican I, was an attempt by the Catholic Church to address some of the deeper spiritual questions posed by the rapid social changes taking place in the 1960s brought on by technology, secular ideologies, and the deep political divisions still reconciling after the disastrous second world war and the escalating tensions of the Cold War. Church attendance, on the rise throughout the world, began a marked decline in Europe, the ancestral home of Catholicism, over the subsequent years. Today we examine the reforms brought about by the Ecumenical Council, the effects they had, a look forward to different paths towards further reform or restoration.

Timeline:

1868, June 29th – First Vatican Council convoked by Pope Pious IX.
1869, December 6th – Beginning of the First Vatican Council
1870, Jul 19 – Outbreak of the Franco-Prussian War, hampering the Vatican in completing the First Vatican Council
1891, May 15th – Pope Leo XIII issues ‘Rerum Novarum’ (On Capital and Labor), reasserting Vatican economic positions on trade unions, wages, private property, and finance.
1929, February 11 – Issuance of the Lateran Pacts of 1929 between the Holy see and Kingdom of Italy, recognizing the Vatican as an independent state.
1929, October 29th – Black Tuesday, the recognized begnning of the Great Depression
1931, May 15th – Pope Pius XI issues Quadragesimo Anno (“In the 40th Year”), affirming the Church’s positions on solidarity, subsidiarity, and communism/socialism
1939-1945 – Outbreak and end of World War II, leaving tens of millions dead and Europe in ruins.
1955 – Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s “The Phenomenon of Man” is published, and deeply shunned by the Vatican hierarchy for heretical content.
1959, January 25th – Pope John XXIII announces his preference for an Ecumenical Council
1960, June 5th – Pope John XXIII issues “motu proprio Superno Dei nutu”, outlining preparatory measures for Vatican II
1960, June 6th – Ten preparatory commissions are created, led by Pope John XXIII
1960, July 9th – Quaestiones are sent to preparatory commissions.
1961, July – Commissions reconvene to review the schemata documents.
1961, December 25th – Pope John XXIII formally summons the Ecumenical Council in the Apostolic Constitution “Humanae salutis”.
1962, July 13 – Pope John XXIII sends the seven primary schemata to the participating bishops for review.
1962, October 20th – The Vatican Council issues a “Message to the World” in which the Church affirms its solidarity with human rights and a werewithall to conform to problems of modernity
1963, June 3rd – Pope John XXIII dies suddenly.
1963, June 21st – Cardinal Montini is elected as Pope, and as Pope Paul VI, he reconvenes the Vatican Council.
1963, December 4th – “Sacrosanctum concilium” (Constitution on the Litury) and “Inter mirifica” (Decree on the means of Social Communication) are issued.

References:

– Franco-Prussian War (1870-1871)
– First Vatican Council [Vatican I] (1869-1870)
– Revarum Novarum (1891)
– Quadrgesimo Anno (1931)
– Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi
– The Phenommenon of Man, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1955)
– Pacem in Terris (1963, April 11)
– Sacrosanctum Concilium (1963, December 4th)
– Inter Mirifica (1963, December 4th)
– The Catholic Revolution: New Wine, Old Wineskins, and the Second Vatican Council, Andrew Greeley (2004)
– What Happened at Vatican II, John W. O’Malley, S.J. (2008)
– The Second Vatican Council – An Unwritten Story, Roberto De Mattei, Michael M. Miller
– Paster Aeternus
– Ineffabilis Deus

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22 Comments

  1. You said you discussed the homosexual mafia in the church, would you please provide links?

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    1. Chiraqi Insurgent July 17, 2017 at 12:02 am

      Good place to start would be a book titled The Rite of Sodomy: Homosexuality and the RCC by Randy Engel.

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      1. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 6:03 am

        Second that.

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    2. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 5:57 am

      See below: the homosexual lobby, which exists like a tumour in the body of the Church, originated from Soviet plants in the seminaries during the Cold War era.

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  2. Julian Anderson July 15, 2017 at 1:46 am

    As a Catholic, I recognize that the Catholic Church is the pillar, font, and origin of Western civilization. Catholicism and Greco-Roman philosophy, which fit hand-in-hand, constitute our foundation. But I should also explain to any non-Catholics wondering, that there are 3 major problems in the Church right now. The first problem is communist plants that were put into the priesthood by the Soviets in the Cold War period. This is confirmed by numerous sources, and it seems there was other plants too (for example, as found in the Alta Vendita). This is also the origin of homosexual degeneracy in the priesthood, a sacrilege and a heinous crime. While there are many good priests, the damage has been done. Since that time, they also infiltrated the precincts of the Holy See (for example, the recently-published list published of compromised higher prelates, either freemason or crypto-communist, which includes many recognizable names). These constitute the first two problems, which are interrelated and also related to the third problem: Pope Francis, a rabidly modernist Pontiff who seem bent on the destruction of the Church and Western civilization. In the Church Pope Francis’s election and legitimacy are quietly questioned, even in the Vatican (as Katholische.info reported) and it is an open secret that a cabal of heretic prelates, called “The Saint Gallen Mafia”, had worked together to get him elected, against canon law (the laws governing the Catholic Church). And you have to Dubia issued by the good Cardinals, who still remain unanswered. They promised a Formal Canonical Warning of Pope Francis if he doesn’t “fix” the seemingly heretical “Amoris Laetitia”, you see. But two conferences of theologians and prelates have basically stated if the Pope refuses to answer the Dubia or answers them heretically, then he is to be deposed as an Anti-Pope. There have been Anti-Popes in history before, but the Church always survived. And it will survive. But this is truly the lowest it has ever been brought, even worse than the Arian Crisis in the early Catholic Church. Pope Francis is destructive not only to the Catholic Church, but also to western civilization. Even the atheist philosopher Marcello Pera has realized that he is actively undermining both the Church he is supposed to serve and Western civilization as a whole, especially with his promotion of society-destroying droves of migrants from an utterly alien, non-Western culture.

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    1. “(for example, the recently-published list published of compromised higher prelates, either freemason or crypto-communist, which includes many recognizable names). ”

      Such a list interests me. Do you have a link?

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  3. Martin Luther July 15, 2017 at 6:29 am

    Perhaps this crisis will cause a reconsideration of the Papacy?

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    1. “The heresy which is now being born will become the most dangerous of all; the exaggeration of the respect due to the pope and the illegitimate extension of his infallibility…” – Fr Le Floch, 1926

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      1. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 5:45 am

        Operative word: “illegitimate”. The Pope does possess infallibility in very rare, circumscribed circumstances. But the modern tendency of relatively faithful Catholics to believe every statement from the papal mouth is damaging and has left them confused. Sr. Lucia called it “diabolical disorientation” in the Church. What better name is there for it? But “the gates of hell will not prevalent against” it, no matter what Bergoglio and the other heretical prelates do.

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    2. Lesbian bishops and the emptiness of ‘Sola Scriptura’ did not cause many to reconsider Luther’s work, although the drop in memberships at Protestant churches gives me some presence of mind.

      Keep in mind that the Church has endured the machinations of northern Italian bankers/merchants, the Enlightenment, Islamic invasions, and many a heretical pope, such as those who had their bastard children housed in the Vatican chambers.

      We will overcome this too. The first step is providing the laity with information necessary to adequately determine what exactly happened, and why their churches increasingly resemble pale tool-sheds.

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    3. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 5:42 am

      The Papacy is not the problem. The Papacy is one of the oldest institutions of western civilization and the Papacy was founded by Christ. The destruction of the Papacy would be a fatal blow to one of the last vestiges of traditional Western European culture (and as a Catholic I believe that it cannot be destroyed). Besides, the Papacy is not the problem. What Bergoglio is doing is contrary to the intrinsic meaning of the Papacy.

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  4. Chiraqi Insurgent July 15, 2017 at 6:01 pm

    One of the best episodes so far. Good call bringing on the Mysterium Fasces guys, to whom I also listen. The laity needs to start rejecting this V2 nonsense on a much larger scale. The good thing about Francis is that he’s openly modernist, which is forcing nominally obedient Catholics to re-think their position. One thing you guys didn’t mention is that Pope Pius X initiated an Oath Against Modernism that priests had to take before receiving Holy Orders. Gee, I wonder why they got rid of it? The old Latin Mass is now ground zero for Catholic restoration.

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    1. That’s very interesting. Thank you for pointing out the oath.

      If that subject makes it into future volumes regarding Vatican II/RCC, I will give you credit for pointing it out.

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      1. Chiraqi Insurgent July 17, 2017 at 12:12 am

        Much appreciated.

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    2. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 5:59 am

      Chiraqui Insurgent— I agree one hundred percent. Traditionalism, integralism, and the old Mass are the beginnings of Catholic Renewal— a renewal that is sure to outlive the current destructive Pontiff.

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    3. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 6:02 am

      The Supreme Being no doubt was pleased to allow a Bergoglio, if only to allow those Catholics who love the Church and the western civilization that She built to fully awaken to the monstrosity that has been perpetrated against them since the Second Vatican Council, which defined no dogma and no Catholic is obligated to accept (except in those places where it repeated previously elucidated dogmata).

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  5. Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Dutch Reformed convene ecumenical councils – synods, presbyteries, general assemblies, etc. – but I’m not sure the Mormons (LDS) do. The LDS (afaik), Jehova Witnesses, Assembly of God, and many evangelical churches take on a CEO structure. By the same token the PCUSA, largest of Presbyterian denominations, is structurally corporate, with little to no use for the general assembly or presbyteries anymore.

    There are dozens and dozens of Presbyterian denominations, and you can correlate their beginnings within precise schisms from the “mainline” Presbyterianism of their day. There are exceptions, even in the US, but as a general rule it works. Anyway, that’s a survey of Protestant ecumenism.

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  6. I only had time to listen to the first third of the podcast, but just to correct a couple of mistakes if you don’t mind:
    -Vatican2 was called together by Pope St. John XXIII and not by Pope Paul VI (who became pope in 1963, only after John XXIII died); he only concluded the council.
    -The pronunciation of the dogma of Immaculate Conception is not a bad example for the infallibility of the pope, however, if you notice it, it happened 15 years before the doctrine of papal infallibility was pronounced at Vatican1. This shows that we had papal infallibility before, it just wasn’t declared that we have it. A better example would be the pronunciation of the dogma of Assumption in 1950 by Pope Pius XII as that happened after Vatican1.
    -Rerum Novarum was issued by Pope Leo XIII and not Leo VIII.

    Otherwise, great podcast!

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    1. Julian Anderson July 20, 2017 at 5:54 am

      There have been numerous infallible decrees by the Popes before the doctrine of infallibility was formally defined; we had it all along. For example, the Tome of Leo was an infallible decree. And even before Vatican I, there was the Council of Florence, which declared that definitive doctrinal decrees of the Pope, when he invokes his doctrinal authority, are “irreformable”, which is pretty much the same thing as Infallibility. There was nothing new cooked up at Vatican I, just a clear affirmation of the powers the Papacy already possessed.

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  7. What’s the song at the end?

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