Population vs. Civilization Replacement

As the immigration and sovereignty debates roll on, some pundits have tried to examine why there’s such a focus on Islamic immigration, versus other forms. American immigration restrictionists do focus on Mexico and illegal immigration over our unsecured border, but often have a different tone to even the slightest uptick in Muslim immigration numbers.

As Latin American immigration has altered the American social landscape, one can plainly see the degraded areas and changes to culture and society. California of 1955 is long gone. In its place are tent cities, slums, and inland portions, where political writers like Victor Davis Hanson cite the two camps of farmers and ranchers in California: those who have found a dead Mexican on their property versus those who have not.

These overwhelmingly Mexican immigrants arrive with the corrupt, yet European legal framework of Mexico or various South American republics. Customs, however, are different. Family decisions, formation, and habits are all different. These immigrants still work within the American legal system and navigate the same political expectations and responsibilities. While voting engagement is still leaving Democrats disappointed, Mexicans are enthusiastically aware of the system and legal protections.

These Latin American and Sub-Saharan African immigrants to America are also easily seduced by the material comforts of America’s economy. Consumerism is quite the strong pull for them to integrate just enough to enjoy the lifestyle available here compared to the Third World. Integration is a tricky issue because people trapped in an old mindset would expect integration and assimilation to mean embracing America. But under progressive hegemony, embracing America means enjoying American consumer culture, while berating American society.

The curious case with Muslim immigration is that Islam is a competing socio-political worldview, in comparison to managerialist-installed progressivism. The surveys are pretty clear on Muslim beliefs, with large percentages wishing to live under Sharia law no matter where they go. Muslim men clearly see the value in Sharia backing them up compared to the Western feminist legal system. In a broader sense, the Muslims also arrive into a far more decadent West than even twenty years ago. Mexican and African immigration is a replacement but a degradation of the current system. Muslim immigration is wholesale replacement.

There is an historical example of this. It is an example often cited in our current public discourse: Rome. It requires looking at a decline of the empire in a nuanced way. The fall of the Western Roman Empire saw a similar two-wave effect to its end. It also involved Muslims and wholesale replacement of the current regime. Not all barbarians are equal.

As Germanic tribes worked their way through the Western Empire, they did not leave their stamp on the former Western Roman Empire as much as it absorbed them. Genetically, they did not have as wide of a footprint. The Roman aristocrats were able to retain their estates. The Church’s role even grew as the bishop of Rome was elevated. Due to the barbarian invasions, public life altered and had a dose of instability injected into it. The monasteries found new, willing entrants from the more delicate side of humanity.

Even politically, these new kingdoms retained Roman features and administrators. The Ostrogothic kingdom, led by Theodoric, had two chief ministers who were Roman in blood, name, and training. The villas simply found new masters and inhabitants. These chieftains also looked to the emperor in Constantinople as a superior. The trappings of power were easy to seduce the barbarian warlords.

A clear illustration of this is how the economic world did not change. Commerce continued, as the Mediterranean was the sea trade network of old. Coins were still struck in gold with new faces. The Syrian and Jewish merchants still traded in Eastern goods and slaves. This trade was important; the tolls and taxes these barbarian kings could levy were their source of income. These kingdoms did not have to focus on land and territory as long as their treasuries were full from commerce. Many offered incredible protections and privileges for the Levantine merchants.

The coast had ports not just for taking in goods, but Eastern Roman imperial culture. The Germanic tribes did not create their own culture and spread it to Western Europe. There was no new Germanic art to stamp its mark on the glory of Rome. These barbarian fiefdoms were degraded versions of the old Roman provinces, but still very much a continuation of the Roman world.

Islam destroyed all of that. Islam raced across North Africa and destroyed the barbarian kingdoms. The race across North Africa was a roughly century long razing of the Maghreb. The area had seen fighting and exchanges of control between Gothic warlords and the Byzantines. This has weakened it, but had left the western half of the Mediterranean open, completing the unified Mediterranean trade zone. Even if the Western Roman Empire was officially over, the cultural flow and continuity existed.

Islam swept in and ended all of that. Muhammad’s creation was not just a religious one, but a political experiment. Considering its birthplace, Islam was a different method to tackle the Middle East’s mosaic of tribes and cultures. Muslims took power in areas, and, due to its overland connection to the riches of the East, had no reason to trade with continental Europe. There was no fleet in Western Europe that could maintain security for trade. Ports shriveled up and decayed, if not outright died. The economy went into disarray and had to reorient, the Church faced an existential crisis, and political entities had to alter their entire way of thinking and administration. Even broader, the entire focus of Western Europe shifted northward to escape the Muslim menace.

Muslims came with an entire system of governance and religion opposite of Catholicism and Roman history. It did not view these institutions as seductive or worthy of inheriting. A social and cultural chauvinism created a tool box for these Islamic colonizers to introduce and implement. To this day, Islamic scholars consult the Quran for how to integrate new inventions into daily life, looking for words to interpret for a thousand-year-old book. They brought their system like any conquering, colonizing force. Whether Europe, North Africa, the Middle East or India, the effect was the same.

This is why removing the progressive, democratic superstructure funneling Muslims into the United States should be a priority. Humans are not fungible, and not all groups will have the same reaction to exposure to a system. The barbarians caused the decadence of late antiquity to deepen. The Church worked on molding its message and form. Trade continued. Nothing was quite like the shock of wholesale systemic change that Islamic conquest forced on Europe.

The gap today between first and third world cultures is wide. One can see this today, as former colonies in the southern hemisphere decline from the date of independence to today. Islamic infiltration poses not just decay or hollowing out of what was built, but a reconfiguration from home to businesses to government.

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  1. The left in America simply has a preference for that which is foreign. Take nuns. Little Sisters of the Poor. Their social conservatism is peculiar to our way of life and they wear habits. They must be made to feel pain. Burkas? No problem. The burka is as American as apple pie and we will make a flag burka to show such. How dare anyone cast aspersions at Islamic religious practice.

    You did an episode not too long ago about SWPL travel. A lot of the travel itinerary is to go to the most foreign place one can. It’s not a vacation for these people if you don’t need to ramp up the vaccinations beforehand.

  2. I really like the articles where you guys delve deep into history, so I wish you fleshed this argument out considerably more. It’s been my understanding that the 4th-6th Cs saw dramatic demographic and economic recession in the WRE territory, so “degraded” would be a bit of understatement. On the other hand, after the Arab conquests they left the preceding systems mostly in place, and tried to keep Muslim Arabs separate from non-Muslim non-Arabs. Decline under Islam was varied: the early (Iranic, especially Central Asian) Abbasids seem to have been effective domestic rulers, and it wasn’t until centuries later, after their territory had been chopped up and reduced to a rump, that decline started to be really obvious. For example, IIRC Mesopotamian revenues peaked mid-800s but the decline was slow at least until the 1000s, maybe longer, hard to do this from memory and few good sources.

    1. You should check out this post as the Orthosphere, and the book the good Professor reviews: https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/dario-fernandez-moreras-myth-of-the-andalusian-paradise-muslims-christians-and-jews-under-islamic-rule-in-spain/

      In (very) short, Gibbon was wrong that there was a singular ‘fall’ of the Roman Empire, and the rule of Islam wasn’t as much cake and cherry blossoms as you might have been led to believe.

      It’s not strictly an answer to your point, but it is germane, and you might find it interesting.

      1. Thanks Rhetocrates, you were correct I did find it interesting. I knew that much classical learning was maintained by the Byzantines, after that review I’ll add Spain. Claims of an Islamic Golden Age are exaggerated. Many conquered territories had already peaked demographically, many claimed advances had already occurred, and math/science achievements need to be compared to the incredible scale of highly-civilized territory under Muslim rule. That scale is also greatly responsible for much of the biological exchange, in crops etc, of the period.

        But there are counter-narratives that seem similarly exaggerated. One, that the Muslims conquered and civilization died; AFAICT decline didn’t set in until long after. Two, that the German conquests were just a transformation (the whole Late Antiquity thesis), when it looks like population, trade, cultural and productive sophistication etc crashed for centuries.

        I’m an amateur and would love to see these positions debated between people who knew what they were talking about.

    2. Marcus Montisursinensis March 21, 2017 at 4:47 pm

      Landry actually retells the statements of Henry Pirenne in his “Mohammed and Charlemagne” (Mahomet et Charlemagne) (1937). European rural, land-locked autarchic economy developed only after the Mohammedans conquered the Mediterranean basin (in the 9th century they became the masters of Sicily and even Southerm Italy).
      Pirenne says that the Merovingian France, and even more so the Visigothic Spain were richer countries (able to pay bureaucracy and at least some portion of a standing army) than Charlemagne’s Empire (in particular, the Gallic part of his Empire). By that point there was no money to support even decent bureaucracy and standing army.

      1. Thanks Marcus, I’m totally open to changing my interpretation of that region/era if you could point me to some harder evidence. It was my impression that cities shrunk, population declined, trade localized, shipping dropped, goods/art/architecture became less complex, etc etc, and didn’t really start recovering until the Carolingians. If incorrect I’d love to be corrected.

        The Muslim conquests absolutely caused a major recession for the ERE/Byzantines, who in the 7th and 8th Centuries saw population/cities/revenues shrink from a height they managed to maintain even while the WRE fell. Muslim sea-based predation also caused European coasts to depopulate and fortify, I’m not sure exactly what time-frame that occurred, or if it was a long-lived or periodic phenomenon.

  3. PS I recognize that this doesn’t affect the basic thesis of degrade vs replace in the modern context.

  4. The influx of Muslims is terrifying. Really the only glimmer of hope for Europe is knowing that Spain threw them off in the past. Hopefully Germany and Sweden can do the same… in a few hundred years.

    1. Chiraqi Insurgent March 22, 2017 at 12:31 pm

      The prog proles in Europe and the USA don’t understand that they are throwing away a whole civilization. It will revive, but it’s gonna get much worse before anything turns around. BTW, shouldn’t your name be “Weisse”?

      1. Shit, typo. Thanks.
        I was too cool for skool.

  5. I’ve been wracking my brain trying to understand what the European “elites” gain from massive third world Muslim importation. And then this hypothesis hit me: third world Muslims are the ideal populace for the “elites”. Firstly, they are raised from birth to obey arbitrary authority without question: not like those pesky Europeans who were raises to question authority. Secondly, while aggressive and violent in an opportunistic way, they are easily cowed by the slightest show of force.

    1. rapsailwasright March 24, 2017 at 9:27 pm


      Islam is the perfect control system because it is self-policing. No need for unreliable police and military when you can have religious police able to mete out capital punishment.

      There is a third attribute you left out – Muslims are the perfect consumers. They are incapable of maintaining or taking care of anything. All they can do is wear things out or destroy them and throw them away. Then, it’s off to the store to buy a new one!

  6. I suppose one could make a similar argument by replacing “America” with “Western Europe” and “Mexicans” with “Slavs.”

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