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		<title>By: Mark Christensen</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/07/28/disciples-of-collapse-a-thought-experiment/#comment-16299</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Left singularities have a nasty habit of taking a lot of people with them throughout the process of destruction. The Left unfortunately has a handy sort of proto-patchwork system in that it has many factions on its side. Splinters occur all the time. That gives them a high degree of adaptability even when major predictions like communism starting in W. Europe end up being completely wrong. The Stalinists pass away, the New Left rises. The industrialist Left passes away, the Green Left rises. At the moment, the Left has hegemony over all issues related to ecology and global industrial fragility. Both of those are two vital for that hegemony to continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left singularities have a nasty habit of taking a lot of people with them throughout the process of destruction. The Left unfortunately has a handy sort of proto-patchwork system in that it has many factions on its side. Splinters occur all the time. That gives them a high degree of adaptability even when major predictions like communism starting in W. Europe end up being completely wrong. The Stalinists pass away, the New Left rises. The industrialist Left passes away, the Green Left rises. At the moment, the Left has hegemony over all issues related to ecology and global industrial fragility. Both of those are two vital for that hegemony to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/07/28/disciples-of-collapse-a-thought-experiment/#comment-16275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2015 03:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stupendous article. I am a propagator of the &#039;Prophetic Catastrophism&#039; theory of ascendancy, however I don&#039;t necessarily think it will be due to the peaking of widely available energy. My predictions more skew in the direction of financial Armageddon with geopolitical opportunism and mass-hacking pushing things past their breaking point.

Your division of two schools of thought, left and right, that may be preparing for such an eventuality seems like a sound assessment. Indeed, the more Traditionalist schools have always felt that some mass technological scale-back would be required to recapture Tradition, which is not to say the advances couldn&#039;t be made again under a different guiding hand. On the other side, the eco wing of the Left, those true disciples of global warming theory and such, are sure to be making contingency plans, and they are indeed some of the most fringe Leftists in terms of political ideology that you are likely to find. In this kind of environment, your allusions to Pol Pot&#039;s Cambodia are not far off.

It is my sincere belief that they are destined for eventual destruction anyway as an ideological force, however preparing to counter the post-MIC planners on the Left could potentially save millions. A narrative coup at the appropriate hour is necessary to block them, and if this narratives finds them the victims of an unbridled wrath so be it. Anything to prevent their designs taking root. They cannot be allowed to sidestep all they have done and all they will do. This is why it will become essential in the coming years to create extradigital means of organization and information. We cannot count on the internet being here at the time when we might take for granted its usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupendous article. I am a propagator of the &#8216;Prophetic Catastrophism&#8217; theory of ascendancy, however I don&#8217;t necessarily think it will be due to the peaking of widely available energy. My predictions more skew in the direction of financial Armageddon with geopolitical opportunism and mass-hacking pushing things past their breaking point.</p>
<p>Your division of two schools of thought, left and right, that may be preparing for such an eventuality seems like a sound assessment. Indeed, the more Traditionalist schools have always felt that some mass technological scale-back would be required to recapture Tradition, which is not to say the advances couldn&#8217;t be made again under a different guiding hand. On the other side, the eco wing of the Left, those true disciples of global warming theory and such, are sure to be making contingency plans, and they are indeed some of the most fringe Leftists in terms of political ideology that you are likely to find. In this kind of environment, your allusions to Pol Pot&#8217;s Cambodia are not far off.</p>
<p>It is my sincere belief that they are destined for eventual destruction anyway as an ideological force, however preparing to counter the post-MIC planners on the Left could potentially save millions. A narrative coup at the appropriate hour is necessary to block them, and if this narratives finds them the victims of an unbridled wrath so be it. Anything to prevent their designs taking root. They cannot be allowed to sidestep all they have done and all they will do. This is why it will become essential in the coming years to create extradigital means of organization and information. We cannot count on the internet being here at the time when we might take for granted its usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mai La Dreapta</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/07/28/disciples-of-collapse-a-thought-experiment/#comment-16255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mai La Dreapta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mentioned Cambodia above, but I think a more interesting comparison would be North Korea. I just got done reading &lt;i&gt;Nothing to Envy&lt;/i&gt;, a collection of narratives by North Korean defectors, which has an extremely gripping (and horrifying) description of how the country descended into famine in the 90&#039;s. What I hadn&#039;t appreciated before reading the book was that through the mid 1980&#039;s, North Korea was similar to the early Soviet Union: it industrialized very quickly from a very poor base state, and was economically more successful than the South through the 70&#039;s. But once its sponsors collapsed, the whole economy gradually broke down and reduced to nothing. What happened is exactly what we should expect under the scenario described above: resources dried up, factories shut down, electric power plants turned off one by one, and food became scarce. Over the course of about a decade the country regressed from a functioning industrial economy (albeit one that was inferior to its western counterparts) to subsistence agriculture, with the only functioning economy being that which operated in illegal corner markets selling food and goods smuggled over the border from China. And so we reach the situation which holds today, in which 95% percent of the population skates on the edge of starvation, while Party elites expropriate whatever wealth can still be extracted and keep a ghost of the industrial economy in place for their own benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned Cambodia above, but I think a more interesting comparison would be North Korea. I just got done reading <i>Nothing to Envy</i>, a collection of narratives by North Korean defectors, which has an extremely gripping (and horrifying) description of how the country descended into famine in the 90&#8217;s. What I hadn&#8217;t appreciated before reading the book was that through the mid 1980&#8217;s, North Korea was similar to the early Soviet Union: it industrialized very quickly from a very poor base state, and was economically more successful than the South through the 70&#8217;s. But once its sponsors collapsed, the whole economy gradually broke down and reduced to nothing. What happened is exactly what we should expect under the scenario described above: resources dried up, factories shut down, electric power plants turned off one by one, and food became scarce. Over the course of about a decade the country regressed from a functioning industrial economy (albeit one that was inferior to its western counterparts) to subsistence agriculture, with the only functioning economy being that which operated in illegal corner markets selling food and goods smuggled over the border from China. And so we reach the situation which holds today, in which 95% percent of the population skates on the edge of starvation, while Party elites expropriate whatever wealth can still be extracted and keep a ghost of the industrial economy in place for their own benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Thrasymachus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anonymous Conservative writes on this from an evolutionary perspective. Leftism only works with almost unlimited resources. If resources are limited, everybody knows who the consumers are, and who the producers are, and there will be little patience for parasites. 

I think mass terror as a leftist organizing tactic had a short life. It worked for Lenin, but at the next major attempt, Spain, people knew what was coming and stopped it. Western leftism depends on soft power, and soft power depends on being able to keep people comfortable as long as they behave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous Conservative writes on this from an evolutionary perspective. Leftism only works with almost unlimited resources. If resources are limited, everybody knows who the consumers are, and who the producers are, and there will be little patience for parasites. </p>
<p>I think mass terror as a leftist organizing tactic had a short life. It worked for Lenin, but at the next major attempt, Spain, people knew what was coming and stopped it. Western leftism depends on soft power, and soft power depends on being able to keep people comfortable as long as they behave.</p>
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