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		<title>By: Hadley Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12941</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hadley Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2015 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds good to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Antinora</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Antinora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2015 01:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking of writing something along the lines of beauty requiring manifestation (Scruton on architecture), being self justifying (Oscar Wilde), and how aesthetics in the abstract is nonsense (that Plato&#039;s ideal beauty can never be to round off the first point).

I don&#039;t think that would overlap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of writing something along the lines of beauty requiring manifestation (Scruton on architecture), being self justifying (Oscar Wilde), and how aesthetics in the abstract is nonsense (that Plato&#8217;s ideal beauty can never be to round off the first point).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that would overlap.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12938</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s funny you mentioned kitsch as I was just thinking of garden gnomes and mass-produced paintings. When I think of kitsch, a term introduced by the hard left critic Clement Greenberg, I don&#039;t think of modern art, although it is now increasingly banal, predictable and dull.

Jeff Koons beats them all by self-consciously mass-producing kitsch.

Fact is, the modern art market these days is super self-conscious status marking. It reminds me of christian relics in the Middle Ages but they had to perform miracles. Maybe the miracles today are the prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny you mentioned kitsch as I was just thinking of garden gnomes and mass-produced paintings. When I think of kitsch, a term introduced by the hard left critic Clement Greenberg, I don&#8217;t think of modern art, although it is now increasingly banal, predictable and dull.</p>
<p>Jeff Koons beats them all by self-consciously mass-producing kitsch.</p>
<p>Fact is, the modern art market these days is super self-conscious status marking. It reminds me of christian relics in the Middle Ages but they had to perform miracles. Maybe the miracles today are the prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12935</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Is there such a thing as left vs. right art?&quot; 

Maybe not, but there is art produced by leftists and rightists and my point was that there is an inversely proportional relationship between beauty and the degree of permeation a work has of leftist principles. My thesis here is that leftism is inherently opposed to art in its essence. It&#039;s an a priori argument based on the essences of leftist and rightist worldviews as I perceive them, so individual examples would need to be thought about and explored. The idea, though, is that since the right upholds what is beautiful and differentiated and ordered &lt;i&gt;in principle&lt;/i&gt; and the left represents the dissolution of those traditional values and modes of thought &lt;i&gt;in principle&lt;/i&gt;, the left is therefore inherently anathema to art as such. Further, the left has artificiality built into it, which might explain the ascendancy of irony and kitsch in the realm of modern culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is there such a thing as left vs. right art?&#8221; </p>
<p>Maybe not, but there is art produced by leftists and rightists and my point was that there is an inversely proportional relationship between beauty and the degree of permeation a work has of leftist principles. My thesis here is that leftism is inherently opposed to art in its essence. It&#8217;s an a priori argument based on the essences of leftist and rightist worldviews as I perceive them, so individual examples would need to be thought about and explored. The idea, though, is that since the right upholds what is beautiful and differentiated and ordered <i>in principle</i> and the left represents the dissolution of those traditional values and modes of thought <i>in principle</i>, the left is therefore inherently anathema to art as such. Further, the left has artificiality built into it, which might explain the ascendancy of irony and kitsch in the realm of modern culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadley Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12933</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hadley Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re quite welcome. I realized today that I haven&#039;t updated it in a while and put up a few more selections. Much more improvement is needed, but it&#039;s getting closer to the ideal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re quite welcome. I realized today that I haven&#8217;t updated it in a while and put up a few more selections. Much more improvement is needed, but it&#8217;s getting closer to the ideal.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadley Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hadley Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as it doesn&#039;t overlap with: http://www.henrydampier.com/tag/roger-scruton/ then I think it&#039;d be a great idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as it doesn&#8217;t overlap with: <a href="http://www.henrydampier.com/tag/roger-scruton/" rel="nofollow">http://www.henrydampier.com/tag/roger-scruton/</a> then I think it&#8217;d be a great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12928</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 18:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;The beauty to be found in “leftist” expression is merely the unconscious presence of traditional, organic, discriminatory, and thus “rightist” principles.&#039;

Not sure what you mean by this.

Were Gaugin or Van Gogh left? Or what about Rimbaud?

Hitler and Goebbels would have thought so but they were socialists. They liked Monet, I think. Paul Klee was included in the Entartatete Kunst shows. So was Picasso, who today maybe has the all-time highest sales at auction of $3.2 billion.

Is there even such a thing as left vs. right art? The communists rejected modernism too and eventually only sponsored &quot;Social Realism.&quot; Lenin, who hung out in Zurich near the Dadaists at their Cabaret Voltaire never trusted or commissioned modernists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The beauty to be found in “leftist” expression is merely the unconscious presence of traditional, organic, discriminatory, and thus “rightist” principles.&#8217;</p>
<p>Not sure what you mean by this.</p>
<p>Were Gaugin or Van Gogh left? Or what about Rimbaud?</p>
<p>Hitler and Goebbels would have thought so but they were socialists. They liked Monet, I think. Paul Klee was included in the Entartatete Kunst shows. So was Picasso, who today maybe has the all-time highest sales at auction of $3.2 billion.</p>
<p>Is there even such a thing as left vs. right art? The communists rejected modernism too and eventually only sponsored &#8220;Social Realism.&#8221; Lenin, who hung out in Zurich near the Dadaists at their Cabaret Voltaire never trusted or commissioned modernists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12927</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 17:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m surprised to read that aesthetics has been considered the domain of the left. It seems to me that, if tradition is associated with the right, the aesthetic sensibility must also be. To me, the principles of the right have always represented a celebration of health, beauty, virility, and all that an organic individual and society regard as of transcendent value. What beautiful thing has the left produced? The left is in its essential principles a dissolution of transcendence--a dissolution of all boundaries that allow for differentiation. The beauty to be found in &quot;leftist&quot; expression is merely the unconscious presence of traditional, organic, discriminatory, and thus &quot;rightist&quot; principles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised to read that aesthetics has been considered the domain of the left. It seems to me that, if tradition is associated with the right, the aesthetic sensibility must also be. To me, the principles of the right have always represented a celebration of health, beauty, virility, and all that an organic individual and society regard as of transcendent value. What beautiful thing has the left produced? The left is in its essential principles a dissolution of transcendence&#8211;a dissolution of all boundaries that allow for differentiation. The beauty to be found in &#8220;leftist&#8221; expression is merely the unconscious presence of traditional, organic, discriminatory, and thus &#8220;rightist&#8221; principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Antinora</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Antinora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 17:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anybody written anything on Scruton? Maybe I could do something if it hasn&#039;t been done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody written anything on Scruton? Maybe I could do something if it hasn&#8217;t been done.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/05/04/aesthetics-week/#comment-12924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 16:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone should check up on Post-Anathema regularly. Whoever selects the pieces for that, they do a really terrific job. 

Chaos (The Creation), 1841, Ivan Konstantinovich Aivazovsky in particular sticks in my mind as an inspiring piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone should check up on Post-Anathema regularly. Whoever selects the pieces for that, they do a really terrific job. </p>
<p>Chaos (The Creation), 1841, Ivan Konstantinovich Aivazovsky in particular sticks in my mind as an inspiring piece.</p>
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