A Slightly More Immediate PQ
Written by John Glanton Posted in Uncategorized
In a move that’s sure to disappoint my legions of adoring fans, I’m switching gears in this Thursday’s post. Shaking things up. Instead of producing my customary, erudite commentary on something I know a little bit about, such as education or weightlifting or the deep antipathy that our social superiors feel towards red-staters, I’m going to produce erudite commentary on something I know even less about: law enforcement in America. The goal of this switch isn’t just to take myself out of my conceptual comfort zone. It’s also to raise some questions that I think are pertinent, especially in light of this latest round of “mostly peaceful protests” that is currently burning down buildings in Baltimore.
The language of this genre, online editorials, has been so abused by this point that I feel the need to clarify something here. I meant “raise questions” in the traditional sense of the phrase: I want to ask about something and I want to receive an answer in order to better understand my situation and order my conduct. I don’t want to “raise questions” in the contemporary sense, which always seems to imply that there’s already widespread agreement on a topic, at least among the aforementioned social superiors: “Twitter’s reaction to trainwreck freakshow Bruce Jenner raises questions about the persistence of transphobia in social media!”
I’ll further preface this post with a tactical note about the rhetoric surrounding law enforcement in America. I take it as a given that the US legal system and its various institutions are sick. They’re dysfunctional. I don’t know that the decaying empire we live in has an institution that isn’t sick. Its schools, its churches, its media outlets, its military, certainly its governing bodies—all of them are in various stages of senility and dissipation. They’re all in need of “reform.” (Preferably the type of reform that consists of cleansing fire from Almighty God, but that’s neither here nor there.) Folks on both sides of the aisle can agree with that to one extent or another.
The way liberals frame the dysfunction of law enforcement, however, makes any sort of cooperation or “dialogue” with them an absolute non starter. A dead end. They want to chalk up everything to institutional racism and the subtle white supremacy of shooting strong-armed robbers who assault police officers in the middle of the street. But that’s not the root issue. So any solutions that are premised on that analysis are going to be ineffective at best, exacerbatory at worst. There are any number of liberal talking points that follow this pattern. Violence against women is an issue that ought to be near and dear to the heart of any conservative, gender role traditionalists that we are. Violence against women is also an issue that figures prominently in liberal speechifying. But they insist on framing it as a byproduct of a heinous patriarchal conspiracy to keep women under the masculine thumb. They then propose legislation that tilts at the windmill of that conspiracy (and, purely incidentally of course, galvanizes young women who feel threatened by their overheated slogans to vote for them).
You can’t solve violence against women from a frame that misdiagnoses the problem as misogyny. You can’t effect reform in our legal system from a frame that misdiagnoses the problem as racism. And so you should never, under any circumstances, attempt to ally with the Left on these issues or issues like them where there’s an illusory common ground. Don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. Don’t give them an inch.
(Libertarians, as my Social Matter colleague Dampier pointed out earlier this week, are fond of the tack I just described, to which I say fine. Signal how much you hate “the thugs in blue” and score your points with the nominally anti-authoritarian Left. Have fun going down the rabbit hole with your fellow travelers. Tell Cathy Reisenwitz hello for us.)
At any rate, the real question that keeps occuring to me, especially having watched the race riots that have been flaring up intermittently since last August, is how ought the Right to relate to police officers? It seems like a fraught question, but a pertinent one. There several thinkers on the Right, thinkers whom I generally respect, that take a hardline stance against the current crop of law enforcement officers in our country, a stance that I think transcends the superficial “Fuck that police!” posturing that often issues from libertarian camps.
And it’s hard to deny that they have a point. Central to the concept of anarcho-tyranny, a critique that I take as accurate in the main, is the role that law enforcement plays in constricting the freedoms of the social middle. How effectively have American police departments been co-opted into that scheme? When I hear stories, like the recent one out of Wisconsin, of SWAT teams executing no-knock raids on innocent families, out of nothing but sheer political ill-will, it’s difficult to say that they haven’t been. And then there is the issue of militarization, and the us-versus-them mindset that it promotes. I know that when I hold a sixteen pound sledgehammer, I really want to put it through a wall, necessary or not. I can’t imagine how I would feel driving a sixteen-ton MRAP down Main Street. Can we arm our police officers like soldiers and expect them to not act like an occupying army? Even more questions remain. Is police work too politicized for our own good? Are our cities too large and crowded for there to be any sort of legitimate community bonds between the patrols and those patrolled? A lot of these are above my paygrade.
My take on the issue is that hardline anti-cop attitudes, even of the more sophisticated variety, overstate the point. The one fundamental political reality that I believe in is that there will always be an “us” and a “them.” (Your “us” and my “us” might not perfectly align, admittedly.) And I also happen to believe that some of us, perhaps many of us, are on the force, that they joined for more or less honorable reasons, and that they’re incapacitated from doing their work because America as a whole cannot or will not square with a lot of the ugly truths that necessitate that work in the first place. In this analysis, the police don’t differ all that much from public school teachers. Yes, there are any number of bad apples in that bunch. But not all of them are, and many of them have become so because of the impossible tasks our society at large has given to them to accomplish. (I.e. “Figure out why we have a persistent achievement gap between these different groups. Your answer cannot be ‘group differences.’”)
If my instincts are right the question then becomes one of coordination. How ought conservatives go about coordinating resistance with their fellow conservatives in uniform? What would that look like on an individual level? Do recent federal power plays to exert more control over state and local police departments help or hurt us in this regard?
If my instincts are wrong, the situation is even bleaker than I’ve given it credit for. But I’d be willing to give a hearing to anyone who wants to explain how I am wrong and how it is, in fact, even bleaker than I’m giving it credit for.
So sound off, if you will, on the PQ. Feel free to bring in perspectives and insights that I haven’t even alluded to. Like I said, I’m a little out of my depth on this one. I just think it’s a relevant field of inquiry right now.

As a paleolibertarian who’s been frankly shocked by the degree of sympathy for the rioters by more mainstream libertarians, your questions hit home.
If the police were less militarized and the war on drugs (with the follow on loss of privacy in all aspects of life that that silly escapade has caused) ended, to my mind there would be much, much less to criticize about American policing. The racial aspect of perceived police heavy handedness appears to be caused by black crime rates much more than ruthless racist cops who randomly select young black males for assassination.
Even being congenitally opposed to giving police carte blanche to act as they see fit without consequence, I think there is still a hierarchy of concerns that goes something like thugs < police < law abiding citizens. When any of the lower groups acts inappropriately, the higher order ought to control them.
This issue usually fails because few people want to discuss context. The great failure of all libertarian and post-libertarian thinkers is that they proceed under two assumptions: 1. All communities are the same (because all people are equal and therefore the same) and 2. All communities are urban. Even Moldbug falls prey to the latter of the two.
The need for police is contextual, not absolute. I have no problem with heavily militarized police in the right situation and aimed at the right targets. Post-Katrina New Orleans is a perfect situation. Jefferson Parish Sheriff snipers and Gretna riot control officers were essential to keeping the chaos contained within New Orleans and not in the suburbs. Yes, it was not the St. Bernard Sheriff’s Office that protected St. Bernard, it was ordinary, armed Chalmatians who held the line. Granted. But St. Bernard was under water. Where it was dry, the Sheriff’s Offices protected the suburbs from violence. Were there abuses? Yes, St. Tammany officers did begin to prey on their own citizens, because they had the luxury of a body of water protecting them from New Orleans and weren’t feeling the heat like those with a land or (intact) bridge connection. Their sheriff ended that quickly and turned his attention to the real problem: New Orleans gangs, for which he was lambasted in the media as a racist but reelected by St. Tammany.
My point: without detailed local knowledge, criticism of police is worthless. Every community is different, and each should be evaluated given the threats within their context, type of community, and numerous other factions. If Reaction, Southern or Neo, can teach us anything, it is to doubt broad, universalist theory-making.
You’ll never meet a more “awakened” group of men than law enforcement officers. They are keenly aware of racial differences in a way non of us could understand.
They walk on a razor’s edge navigating what they “know” and coforming to the politically correct parlance of modernity. How they operate and what they say are completely different.
I have a close relative who is a deputy in a medium sized city who explained it like this, cops are keepers of the peace, they aren’t allowed to “solve” the problem but are given enough leverage to maintain the status quo. (Thus city is 30% black but maintains a white mayor and chief)
He illustrated this with a story. There was a series of breakin in a nice neighborhood. Neighbors reported a group of “young blacks in white shirts, medium build, ect” just described every criminal in the city. Can’t start stopping every group resembling this description b/c racism. A week later, a stay at home mom finds three nigs in her kitchen, they bolt but threaten to kill her kid if she reports anything. Next day, a group matching the description is walking nearby. Stopped by a cop but he has nothing to detain them. He “lied” that he smelled pot and searched them…..found some because nigs are stupid…..and a handgun. They were IDed by the mom as the burglers and all three were booked on felony charges.
Technically what the cop did was wrong, but he potentialy saved innocent lives, and kept the neighborhood safe. I agree with his judgement call but there is a legitimate case against his actions. I chose to look at the ends rather than the means and think the criminality of the blacks is the root cause of the whole situation. The futre may require honorable men to do engage in dishonorable actions for the sake of their families, communities, and civilization. I cannot condemn the men in uniform who already do.
We all know this hypothetical police officer made the right call. It’s also the call that he has, at least informally, been trained to make by the police officers who have mentored him.
What the cop did was honorable. It’s the society he defends which is dishonorable.
From a purely practical standpoint, consider that the end of the end of history internationally is going to be followed by the end of the end of history domestically. Under those circumstances, having sympathizers and contacts in police forces is almost always useful.
The fact remains that the “War on Drugs”exists, at least in part, in order to incarcerate a large number of urban NAM youth until they become old enough to not be a threat to society with their inherent criminality anymore. Of course, they can also join the military instead, if they can score high enough on their ASVABs, but that accomplishes the same goal.
When the proverbial shit hits the fan, those of us who retain contacts with LEOs will be thankful that they did.
I just listened through this audiobook:
http://www.audible.co.uk/pd/Non-fiction/Do-as-I-Say-Not-As-I-Do-Audiobook/B004EXC8UE/
Not that there was much that I didnt know already in general way, but it got me thinking. Are the liberals (so called conservatives and liberals) actors or swindlers? They perform like actors, but they cannot be actors in a full sense. Audience knows who is acting, who is not, what is the fairy tale story, and what is reality, even if they emphatize and identify with the characters and the plot. Almost all the people either know only little about the politicians swindling or they dont know about it at all. They know to some extent about the contradiction between politicians words and their actions, about their lying, but the lying is mostly only fuzzily connected to some concrete immoral actions, aside from trying to stay in power with questionable means. This is not liked, but at the same time it is mostly explained away, “It is nasty, but unfortunately such lying comes with the territory. They mostly try to keep their promises, but they have to negotiate and make compromises, it is the nature of democratic and societal politics.” Thus it is generally slightly reluctantly forgiven. But liberal politicians breach systematically and with full will all the liberal principles they publicly proclaim to be ‘indispensable and absolute’ in their personal lives too, where there is no need to negotiate and make compromises with different political, bureaucatic and societal groups. These are often the principles with which liberal liberals so often accuse liberal conservatives, either because they dont follow them, or they dont follow them enough. Liberal conservative politicians lie and break the liberal principles slightly less, because they accept a little bit less of those principles; because they are more honest and forthright with their self-serving actions, sometimes even proud about them, and because they really are a little bit less cheating than liberals (but not much). And liberal conservatives have some endearing superficial leftovers from real conservatism.
But could we then just say that politicians are swindlers, pure and simple, they just vary a little bit about how much they trick the people? The politicians can have some real sentimental connections from their childhood and adolescense to their adult political views, and these and consistency could prevent them from changing their political views. Mountebanks generally dont have as much sentimental connections to their spoofing, and they can generally change their fields and methods according to situations, needs and abilities, although they can be specialized to a certain field where their skills are relatively the best. Charlatans do their defrauding without any reservations. Politicians, although they break their principles with full will in their personal life, may have some reservations. They could say to citizens, if they would be honest, “I think my political principles are nice in theory, but reality and my self-interests override all such principles. I would like to be honest with my self-interests and self-serving actions, and celebrate them like CEO super stars, but the political system and its requirements are what they are, demands of power are what they are, and your needs and demands are what they are, and these together compel me to become a swindler. I have to become publicly abnormal and unnatural to fulfill the public moral requirements of those three areas. Politics is largely about morality. The liberal system cannot function in such a way that (liberal) elites follow those principles they have to promulgate, equality; labor union rights; immigration because of human rights and humane principles; normal or more stringent taxation to the rich; pacifism; public school superiority and primacy; market economy regulation generally, and regulations especially on big banks and big companies; prohibitions and restrictions on tax havens, tax paradises and tax evasions; racial integration of housing and schooling; political correctness; customer rights; nature preservation; climate protection; etc. The liberal system functions exactly because and in such a way that liberal elites try force such principles on others, but breach all such principles in their personal lives and crony cooperation. If we would change this arrangement, the system would fall apart. We and the system needs public and political lies, illusions, delusions, manipulations, swindles, humbugs, etc., we need them like people need the air they breathe.” There is certain truth in it, in the same way than cancer tumor have needs and demands and requirements, or else it would wither and die. In a matter of fact cancer tumor would probably talk like liberal elites, if it could talk. A lot of things have gone wrong before, so that now we have such system, such elites and such people; upbringing; education; political life; virtues (if there is any real virtues left) and vices; social life; consumption; virtual ‘life'; bureaucracies; entrepreneurship; etc.
I am a former libertarian who became a correctional officer out of economic need. I’ve worked in two regional jails in two different states. It has been an eye opening experience.
The sheer number of truly evil people in this country is horrifying. Most of them are black, most of them take what time they spend on the streets breeding like rabbits and causing mayhem. A career drug dealer once showed me a picture of over a dozen kids posing with a football, he told me they were all his. I didn’t believe him until I looked closer and saw the resemblance.
Anyway, law enforcement as a group are quite obedient. Nearly all jailers and most cops I’ve spoken too are exceedingly frustrated and disillusioned, but will serve whatever authority they see as legitimate.
Should an authority ever come around that values order and safety, American law enforcement would gleefully and quickly devour the criminal element.
Corrections is an insane leftist experiment. Most inmates are not dangerous, and locking them up serves no point. They would be better off paying fines or restitution and remaining free. Those who don’t or can’t can be sold by the state into temporary indentured servitude to pay off their debt.
The hardcore evil, amputation or execution. Prison doesn’t reform anyone, makes these guys worse, and let’s them back out on the streets freakishly strong, psychotic, connected and pent up.
Not to mention that it is expensive. It would be far cheaper and highly effective to amputate body parts or torture and execute your hardcore criminals. Even those rare ones that do rehabilitate, are still useless and never amount to any real good.
Nothing would be quite as sublime as seeing gangbangers walking around with no arms. See how many choose the thug life after that.
When I’m sitting in my chair, staring at the wall while the inmates watch Maury, that’s often what I’m thinking of. That or putting on body armor and taking long knives and going cell to cell deciding who needs to be ripped to pieces and who can live.
I’m way off the original topic, but I started the LE portion of my security career as a Deputy Sheriff and later became a federal agent working on a national level tactical team. I’d say fully half of the local officers and a third of the federal agents working today would not engage the populace unconstitutionally on behalf of the federal government. For every ridiculous overreach by a SWAT team there is at least one corresponding refusal of a warrant request based on good old-fashioned constitutional concerns by the involved officers. That’s a pathetic ratio, yes, but at least our police aren’t blindly following orders across the board. Yet.
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