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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/28/libertarians-and-power-vacuums/#comment-12814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This kind of relates to my own big criticism of today&#039;s Libertarians, that they want to get rid of these Modern, bloated governmental institutions (which is for the most part fine, I have no love for the bureaucratic labyrinth), but in their own Modernity they don&#039;t seem to realize that the only reason that society functioned before these things existed was due to... other things... things they aren&#039;t usually very fond of.

Even if we go to America post-Founding, when things were just starting out, mob justice was very commonplace. Lynching wasn&#039;t just something invented by the KKK. The police force didn&#039;t need to be as powerful because serious crimes were addressed by citizens taking matters into their own hands. Child rapists for example, probably were not getting court dates in 1800, despite that &quot;right to a fair trial&quot; stuff.

On the macro, since the Enlightenment government has been on a never-ending expansionist path. Small government might be its starting point, but it inevitably grows because of liberal democracy&#039;s nature. The people eventually realize they can get free stuff if they vote a certain way.

So Libertarianism can&#039;t really be said to be a coherent ideology in the long term. It&#039;s like being in favor of only the larval stage of a butterfly. But the larval stage has to give way to the next step in the metamorphosis. Really, Libertarianism is a good example of a Liberal evolution sub-category rather than some alternative which is often what it is proposed as. Furthermore, while it might have functioned reasonably with the population that existed in the 1700s, to think it would work with the current population who are so far removed from that time that those people are considered scandalous superstitious bigots, is madness. Libertarianism would not have quelled the riots in Maryland, in fact it might have made things ten times worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of relates to my own big criticism of today&#8217;s Libertarians, that they want to get rid of these Modern, bloated governmental institutions (which is for the most part fine, I have no love for the bureaucratic labyrinth), but in their own Modernity they don&#8217;t seem to realize that the only reason that society functioned before these things existed was due to&#8230; other things&#8230; things they aren&#8217;t usually very fond of.</p>
<p>Even if we go to America post-Founding, when things were just starting out, mob justice was very commonplace. Lynching wasn&#8217;t just something invented by the KKK. The police force didn&#8217;t need to be as powerful because serious crimes were addressed by citizens taking matters into their own hands. Child rapists for example, probably were not getting court dates in 1800, despite that &#8220;right to a fair trial&#8221; stuff.</p>
<p>On the macro, since the Enlightenment government has been on a never-ending expansionist path. Small government might be its starting point, but it inevitably grows because of liberal democracy&#8217;s nature. The people eventually realize they can get free stuff if they vote a certain way.</p>
<p>So Libertarianism can&#8217;t really be said to be a coherent ideology in the long term. It&#8217;s like being in favor of only the larval stage of a butterfly. But the larval stage has to give way to the next step in the metamorphosis. Really, Libertarianism is a good example of a Liberal evolution sub-category rather than some alternative which is often what it is proposed as. Furthermore, while it might have functioned reasonably with the population that existed in the 1700s, to think it would work with the current population who are so far removed from that time that those people are considered scandalous superstitious bigots, is madness. Libertarianism would not have quelled the riots in Maryland, in fact it might have made things ten times worse.</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last paragraph - The Evicted Natural Proprieter Class of America returns to the neglected lands.

Bravo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last paragraph &#8211; The Evicted Natural Proprieter Class of America returns to the neglected lands.</p>
<p>Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Dampier</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/28/libertarians-and-power-vacuums/#comment-12808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Dampier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Dampier</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/28/libertarians-and-power-vacuums/#comment-12807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry Dampier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: August</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[August]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve thought of this as the king of the hill problem.  In terms of policy, there are principles, which should be followed, but as long as there is a hill, idiots will keep trying to be the king of the hill.  So, in addition to implementing the principles, one also needs to figure out how to beat all the idiots off the damn hill.  If the hill can be taken away so much the better- but the idiots need to be taught the hill is not the way to do things.  

We see the progressives adopting the &#039;black lives matter&#039; slogan and doing all sorts of questionable protests.  Libertarians take each of these things on a case by case basis, and argue from principles.  Of course, we all lose, because the media/USG is playing an entirely different game, which I believe is scaring upper middle class America into thinking they need a more militarized police between them and the more diverse neighborhoods.  The military industrial complex must continue to expand, and the DMZ they build between you and the Latin American ghetto they&#039;ve just created down the street from you is a promising new franchise.

One of the reasons why I am amenable to a monarchy or some sort of aristocracy is that they could function to keep idiots off the hill, while, hopefully, implementing principled policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve thought of this as the king of the hill problem.  In terms of policy, there are principles, which should be followed, but as long as there is a hill, idiots will keep trying to be the king of the hill.  So, in addition to implementing the principles, one also needs to figure out how to beat all the idiots off the damn hill.  If the hill can be taken away so much the better- but the idiots need to be taught the hill is not the way to do things.  </p>
<p>We see the progressives adopting the &#8216;black lives matter&#8217; slogan and doing all sorts of questionable protests.  Libertarians take each of these things on a case by case basis, and argue from principles.  Of course, we all lose, because the media/USG is playing an entirely different game, which I believe is scaring upper middle class America into thinking they need a more militarized police between them and the more diverse neighborhoods.  The military industrial complex must continue to expand, and the DMZ they build between you and the Latin American ghetto they&#8217;ve just created down the street from you is a promising new franchise.</p>
<p>One of the reasons why I am amenable to a monarchy or some sort of aristocracy is that they could function to keep idiots off the hill, while, hopefully, implementing principled policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post.]]></description>
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