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		<title>By: Cargo Cultists on Campus - Social Matter</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/16/punching-down-and-liberal-cosmology/#comment-12714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cargo Cultists on Campus - Social Matter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2015 17:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] I mentioned in last week&#8217;s post, just because two people are using the same words doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re talking about [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I mentioned in last week&#8217;s post, just because two people are using the same words doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re talking about [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: John Glanton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/16/punching-down-and-liberal-cosmology/#comment-12655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Glanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I could blame those on autocorrect, but, no, just good old-fashioned ignorance. Both those are actually very interesting etymologies, too, in retrospect. Thanks for the drive-by vocab lesson.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could blame those on autocorrect, but, no, just good old-fashioned ignorance. Both those are actually very interesting etymologies, too, in retrospect. Thanks for the drive-by vocab lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: A friend</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/16/punching-down-and-liberal-cosmology/#comment-12649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A friend]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Victims of autocorrect unite: that is kid gloves not kidd gloves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victims of autocorrect unite: that is kid gloves not kidd gloves.</p>
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		<title>By: A friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2015 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,  jive is niggerish for bullshit. Jibe(to shift course while sailing before the wind, i.e. to track with my thoughts) is the word you want. Also, kiddie gloves are not the same as kidd (kidd: a young goat) gloves. One is an atrocity the other is soft and gentle. Perhaps you are the victim of autocorrect? Enjoy your twitter feed and long form work. MPC lurker crew, FEMA camp latrine scrubber checking in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,  jive is niggerish for bullshit. Jibe(to shift course while sailing before the wind, i.e. to track with my thoughts) is the word you want. Also, kiddie gloves are not the same as kidd (kidd: a young goat) gloves. One is an atrocity the other is soft and gentle. Perhaps you are the victim of autocorrect? Enjoy your twitter feed and long form work. MPC lurker crew, FEMA camp latrine scrubber checking in.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/16/punching-down-and-liberal-cosmology/#comment-12590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2015 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope someone relayed to you some details of Anal Dish&#039;s exit conversation with Pax at BI. It is significant because it happened to be the meeting he had just come from on the evening I first met him. But this &quot;ya gotta punch up&quot;/&quot;don&#039;t dare punch down&quot; was literally what the Good Brahmin was telling him that afternoon. And of course, &quot;punching down&quot; was exactly Anal and all the Feminist Overlords were doing to Pax right that second. And to make a good punchline, Pax pointed out something to the effect, &quot;Hey I&#039;m the powerless one here, I&#039;m the one getting sacked for violating your sacred sensibilities.&quot; And stranger to irony that he is, Anil said something like &quot;Yeah, and don&#039;t you forget it!&quot;

The whining scream of the Puritan, recognizable in any century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope someone relayed to you some details of Anal Dish&#8217;s exit conversation with Pax at BI. It is significant because it happened to be the meeting he had just come from on the evening I first met him. But this &#8220;ya gotta punch up&#8221;/&#8221;don&#8217;t dare punch down&#8221; was literally what the Good Brahmin was telling him that afternoon. And of course, &#8220;punching down&#8221; was exactly Anal and all the Feminist Overlords were doing to Pax right that second. And to make a good punchline, Pax pointed out something to the effect, &#8220;Hey I&#8217;m the powerless one here, I&#8217;m the one getting sacked for violating your sacred sensibilities.&#8221; And stranger to irony that he is, Anil said something like &#8220;Yeah, and don&#8217;t you forget it!&#8221;</p>
<p>The whining scream of the Puritan, recognizable in any century.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkea</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/04/16/punching-down-and-liberal-cosmology/#comment-12569</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Addition, my party is third from the right, Perussuomalaiset = True Finns Party, opposes among other things liberal immigration policies, federal policies of Eu, redistribution inside Eu, development aid to  developing countries (which is counterproductive and without results, by the way) and supports various conservative policies. Some of its politicians are economically on the right and some are on the left, so it is in this respect a curious cross-section of economic views. I am more on the right in economic matters.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-african-economics-expert-for-god-s-sake-please-stop-the-aid-a-363663.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition, my party is third from the right, Perussuomalaiset = True Finns Party, opposes among other things liberal immigration policies, federal policies of Eu, redistribution inside Eu, development aid to  developing countries (which is counterproductive and without results, by the way) and supports various conservative policies. Some of its politicians are economically on the right and some are on the left, so it is in this respect a curious cross-section of economic views. I am more on the right in economic matters.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-african-economics-expert-for-god-s-sake-please-stop-the-aid-a-363663.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/spiegel-interview-with-african-economics-expert-for-god-s-sake-please-stop-the-aid-a-363663.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And punch the Reactosphere continues to do. Even if they knock down one, there are ten more who are immersing themselves in Reactionary thinking.

It has always been peculiar how even when one &#039;oppressed&#039; strata of society becomes quite clearly more financially and culturally powerful as well as more liked in the demotic sense than their &#039;oppressors&#039;, the daynamic remains the same. The left are saying that no matter how high various minority &#039;oppressed&#039; groups are elevated they will ALWAYS be &#039;oppressed&#039;. But this is a paradoxical indictment of their own ideology. It&#039;s a testament to their failure if they truly believe this to be the case, for all their efforts are for naught.

The truth however, is that the people in charge know this is bogus. How could they not? They just use the &#039;oppressor&#039;/&#039;oppressed&#039; narrative as a tool to manipulate the masses, who have been taught from birth to root for the underdog, regardless of what he represents or who he is.

Their actual ideology can be most simply defined as:

1) The evil must oppress
2) The righteous must be oppressed
3) No lie is too big, no cost too great, to see goals 1 &amp; 2 realized

The goal of the left from square one, regardless of what they say, has always been the same. To turn the entire Traditional political order on its head. Humanity&#039;s greatest souls and minds must be crushed underfoot, and those who yesterday were muckrakers must be the new vaunted class. If reality has to be done away with to secure this objective, so be it. All hail progress! Kali demands it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And punch the Reactosphere continues to do. Even if they knock down one, there are ten more who are immersing themselves in Reactionary thinking.</p>
<p>It has always been peculiar how even when one &#8216;oppressed&#8217; strata of society becomes quite clearly more financially and culturally powerful as well as more liked in the demotic sense than their &#8216;oppressors&#8217;, the daynamic remains the same. The left are saying that no matter how high various minority &#8216;oppressed&#8217; groups are elevated they will ALWAYS be &#8216;oppressed&#8217;. But this is a paradoxical indictment of their own ideology. It&#8217;s a testament to their failure if they truly believe this to be the case, for all their efforts are for naught.</p>
<p>The truth however, is that the people in charge know this is bogus. How could they not? They just use the &#8216;oppressor&#8217;/&#8217;oppressed&#8217; narrative as a tool to manipulate the masses, who have been taught from birth to root for the underdog, regardless of what he represents or who he is.</p>
<p>Their actual ideology can be most simply defined as:</p>
<p>1) The evil must oppress<br />
2) The righteous must be oppressed<br />
3) No lie is too big, no cost too great, to see goals 1 &amp; 2 realized</p>
<p>The goal of the left from square one, regardless of what they say, has always been the same. To turn the entire Traditional political order on its head. Humanity&#8217;s greatest souls and minds must be crushed underfoot, and those who yesterday were muckrakers must be the new vaunted class. If reality has to be done away with to secure this objective, so be it. All hail progress! Kali demands it.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkea</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Glanton and others, 

scroll down the linked page and you see a graph about Finnish political parties. The colored lines are listed on the right side. They are in order: 1) Blue; care / harm morality 2) Red; fairness / injustice morality 3) Green; loyalty / betrayal morality 4) Violet; authority / subversion morality 5) Light blue; sanctity / degradation morality.

https://blogs.aalto.fi/tunnepolitiikkaa/2015/04/10/moraalivaalikone-kuvio-puolueiden-vertailusta/

What you see in the graph is the morality of more liberal / leftist parties on the left, and more conservative / right parties on the right. What it means in practice is that for the liberals care / harm and fairness / injustice considerations are way more more important than loyalty / betrayal, authority / subversion and sanctity / degradation considerations. Thus liberals are fairly fanatical in their care and fairness policies and they devalue, oppose, leave unnoticed or scorn loyalty, authority and sanctity policies and considerations. Conservatives appreciate more loyalty, authority and sanctity than liberals, but for them too care and fairness considerations are more important than loyalty, authority and sanctity (the only little exception is Christian democrats on the &quot;far&quot; right, who evaluate sanctity little higher than justice). So what you see here is why the conservatives are forever the losers with their present mindset; the situation is the same in north-America and elsewhere in Europe. Liberals advocate fairly extreme or extreme fairness and care policies, and conservatives object a little bit because of loyalty, authority and sanctity considerations, but because fairness and care considerations are the most important for conservatives too, they eventually give up to the liberals arguments, conservatives slightly reluctantly or more slowly agree with the liberals. In essence conservatives are politically just one variation of the liberal political spectrum, products of liberal upbringing, propaganda and policies. To change this situation, to create genuine conservative politics, capabilities and results, conservatives must evaluate loyalty, authority and sanctity higher than fairness and care, especially loyalty to ethnic, racial and religious groups, including endogamy. Conservatives main authorities should be historical (dead) conservatives, because they often have timeless wisdom; they dont have self-interest and cannot be corrupted; they are not swayed by present fashions, illusions and propaganda; they cannot establish tyranny, repressive totalitarian system or kleptocracy; and they lead with advice and knowledge, not with commanding power. Conservatives should sanctify those things which they value and/or which deserve sanctity, and make them inviolable, especially against any liberal policies. What does this mean in practice? It means that generally conservatives defend their own groups, not abstract, universal and &quot;disinterested&quot; ideas of justice, which in the end defend mostly those liberals interests, who hold the highest power. This doesnt mean that conservatives abandon the idea of general justice in their own country, but they view and evaluate it from their own groups position and interests. It is propitious to us conservatives to stop looking upward politically, waiting that the political authorities make the arrangements that we want, and start to make our own groups arrangements by ourselves in the grassroots and middle level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Glanton and others, </p>
<p>scroll down the linked page and you see a graph about Finnish political parties. The colored lines are listed on the right side. They are in order: 1) Blue; care / harm morality 2) Red; fairness / injustice morality 3) Green; loyalty / betrayal morality 4) Violet; authority / subversion morality 5) Light blue; sanctity / degradation morality.</p>
<p><a href="https://blogs.aalto.fi/tunnepolitiikkaa/2015/04/10/moraalivaalikone-kuvio-puolueiden-vertailusta/" rel="nofollow">https://blogs.aalto.fi/tunnepolitiikkaa/2015/04/10/moraalivaalikone-kuvio-puolueiden-vertailusta/</a></p>
<p>What you see in the graph is the morality of more liberal / leftist parties on the left, and more conservative / right parties on the right. What it means in practice is that for the liberals care / harm and fairness / injustice considerations are way more more important than loyalty / betrayal, authority / subversion and sanctity / degradation considerations. Thus liberals are fairly fanatical in their care and fairness policies and they devalue, oppose, leave unnoticed or scorn loyalty, authority and sanctity policies and considerations. Conservatives appreciate more loyalty, authority and sanctity than liberals, but for them too care and fairness considerations are more important than loyalty, authority and sanctity (the only little exception is Christian democrats on the &#8220;far&#8221; right, who evaluate sanctity little higher than justice). So what you see here is why the conservatives are forever the losers with their present mindset; the situation is the same in north-America and elsewhere in Europe. Liberals advocate fairly extreme or extreme fairness and care policies, and conservatives object a little bit because of loyalty, authority and sanctity considerations, but because fairness and care considerations are the most important for conservatives too, they eventually give up to the liberals arguments, conservatives slightly reluctantly or more slowly agree with the liberals. In essence conservatives are politically just one variation of the liberal political spectrum, products of liberal upbringing, propaganda and policies. To change this situation, to create genuine conservative politics, capabilities and results, conservatives must evaluate loyalty, authority and sanctity higher than fairness and care, especially loyalty to ethnic, racial and religious groups, including endogamy. Conservatives main authorities should be historical (dead) conservatives, because they often have timeless wisdom; they dont have self-interest and cannot be corrupted; they are not swayed by present fashions, illusions and propaganda; they cannot establish tyranny, repressive totalitarian system or kleptocracy; and they lead with advice and knowledge, not with commanding power. Conservatives should sanctify those things which they value and/or which deserve sanctity, and make them inviolable, especially against any liberal policies. What does this mean in practice? It means that generally conservatives defend their own groups, not abstract, universal and &#8220;disinterested&#8221; ideas of justice, which in the end defend mostly those liberals interests, who hold the highest power. This doesnt mean that conservatives abandon the idea of general justice in their own country, but they view and evaluate it from their own groups position and interests. It is propitious to us conservatives to stop looking upward politically, waiting that the political authorities make the arrangements that we want, and start to make our own groups arrangements by ourselves in the grassroots and middle level.</p>
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