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		<title>By: Mitchell Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2015 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The American elite are not a mere idiocracy but a talented and intelligent group that has sustained American hegemony for decades. Absolutely degenerate though.

Those amenable to shifting their position should understand that there are other options, and that it is the current FP that is leading America to a premature decline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American elite are not a mere idiocracy but a talented and intelligent group that has sustained American hegemony for decades. Absolutely degenerate though.</p>
<p>Those amenable to shifting their position should understand that there are other options, and that it is the current FP that is leading America to a premature decline.</p>
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		<title>By: vxxc2014</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;should the American elite choose it&quot;

Perhaps I missed something, but what makes you think the dysgenic, degenerate idiocracy goes anywhere?  

You are proposing a foreign policy for who exactly?  All policy certainly foreign will be determined by who&#039;s in charge, I daresay the Victors.   Absent conflict the Boss today is the Boss tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;should the American elite choose it&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps I missed something, but what makes you think the dysgenic, degenerate idiocracy goes anywhere?  </p>
<p>You are proposing a foreign policy for who exactly?  All policy certainly foreign will be determined by who&#8217;s in charge, I daresay the Victors.   Absent conflict the Boss today is the Boss tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you on most accounts, actually. My above post is more of a comparison between the American spirit in ideal versus the classic Hamiltonian American policy in practice. In practice, all America only wants to control. But in ideal they want to create. Could the ideal American spirit dominate the state? Hypothetically, yes, but it would mean a de facto purging of large portions of the ruling classes. 

I think America is locked into its journey of decline. There is neither the will no the vision to see past the futility of the current path which will lead to a collapse (as they intend) but not to a restoration of power (due to their delusions). I don&#039;t think the Asians will be so quick to jump on board with China, as both Japan, Indonesia, and Australia see themselves as viable counterweights, especially if they work together. But that&#039;s besides the point.

Anti-America though is not China. China is not the great entrepreneurial nation. China is the nation of cuthroat business. People tolerate China because they have money and mind their own business, but nobody really likes them. On the other hand, people love America in ideal, I&#039;ve seen it again and again.

But yes, as said before, I would bet against America putting its good qualities to good use. For them the way down is the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on most accounts, actually. My above post is more of a comparison between the American spirit in ideal versus the classic Hamiltonian American policy in practice. In practice, all America only wants to control. But in ideal they want to create. Could the ideal American spirit dominate the state? Hypothetically, yes, but it would mean a de facto purging of large portions of the ruling classes. </p>
<p>I think America is locked into its journey of decline. There is neither the will no the vision to see past the futility of the current path which will lead to a collapse (as they intend) but not to a restoration of power (due to their delusions). I don&#8217;t think the Asians will be so quick to jump on board with China, as both Japan, Indonesia, and Australia see themselves as viable counterweights, especially if they work together. But that&#8217;s besides the point.</p>
<p>Anti-America though is not China. China is not the great entrepreneurial nation. China is the nation of cuthroat business. People tolerate China because they have money and mind their own business, but nobody really likes them. On the other hand, people love America in ideal, I&#8217;ve seen it again and again.</p>
<p>But yes, as said before, I would bet against America putting its good qualities to good use. For them the way down is the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve dealt with the Novorossiyan situation plenty at my blog over at ahousewithnochild.wordpress.com. You&#039;ll find dozens of posts giving detailed analyses of the situation there.

There is no evidence that there are Russian troops in the Ukraine, as the Germans, OSCE, and everyone else has demonstrated. The only ones who continue making such claims are the Joke Ukrainian Government (and not all of it at that) and the Americans, neither of which have ever provided definitive evidence despite the availability of overhead satellites and videocameras in the region.

There is ample evidence of Voentorg, or Russian logistical support, but that&#039;s not the same thing. You&#039;d know if the Russians did put their boots on the ground in the Ukraine because that fighting would be over in twenty four hours.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve dealt with the Novorossiyan situation plenty at my blog over at ahousewithnochild.wordpress.com. You&#8217;ll find dozens of posts giving detailed analyses of the situation there.</p>
<p>There is no evidence that there are Russian troops in the Ukraine, as the Germans, OSCE, and everyone else has demonstrated. The only ones who continue making such claims are the Joke Ukrainian Government (and not all of it at that) and the Americans, neither of which have ever provided definitive evidence despite the availability of overhead satellites and videocameras in the region.</p>
<p>There is ample evidence of Voentorg, or Russian logistical support, but that&#8217;s not the same thing. You&#8217;d know if the Russians did put their boots on the ground in the Ukraine because that fighting would be over in twenty four hours.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely think they have affiliates in Libya, especially in Benghazi. But here&#039;s the thing: The Benghazi militants are American tools. They&#039;ve been American tools since the beginning of the anti-Gaddafi revolution, which was coordinated and supported by the Americans, and for which there is ample proof. Furthermore the Benghazi militants have no interest in expressly subordinating themselves with ISIS, only working tangentially with them.

It adds to my not taking ISIS seriously. All the so-called ISIS connections just show their nature as American-backed tools with limited independence.

Keep in mind that the Libyan civil war has not ended either and the remnants of the Green Army remain at work with the various tribes which control much of Western Libya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely think they have affiliates in Libya, especially in Benghazi. But here&#8217;s the thing: The Benghazi militants are American tools. They&#8217;ve been American tools since the beginning of the anti-Gaddafi revolution, which was coordinated and supported by the Americans, and for which there is ample proof. Furthermore the Benghazi militants have no interest in expressly subordinating themselves with ISIS, only working tangentially with them.</p>
<p>It adds to my not taking ISIS seriously. All the so-called ISIS connections just show their nature as American-backed tools with limited independence.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the Libyan civil war has not ended either and the remnants of the Green Army remain at work with the various tribes which control much of Western Libya.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you suspect the Islamic State headquarters in Iraq and Syria do not have contact /provide logistical support to the  affiliate in Libya which is causing chaos? The Tunisian link is suspect, but their ties to Libyan Jihadists seem concrete from what I have seen, especially the co-ordination of media propaganda operations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suspect the Islamic State headquarters in Iraq and Syria do not have contact /provide logistical support to the  affiliate in Libya which is causing chaos? The Tunisian link is suspect, but their ties to Libyan Jihadists seem concrete from what I have seen, especially the co-ordination of media propaganda operations.</p>
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		<title>By: scientism</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scientism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;After all, would you rather work with ultra-alien Chinese, or the pleasant and industrious American? The answer is obvious.&quot;

It&#039;s at this point I disagree and that&#039;s why I think the situation is completely hopeless. America likes to think it has some innate appeal, but it has found allies only by systemically co-opting or subverting the ruling class of other countries. The average foreigner watching American TV shows or Hollywood movies might have a benign view of America, but the ruling classes do not. They know what American power really looks like. If they&#039;re an ally, they know where their own power comes from, and its limitations. They know how stifling American hegemony is.

The fact that nobody in Western-aligned countries can ever say anything that might offend American sensibilities is telling. For example, Japan can&#039;t openly discuss its demographic crisis except in terms of pouring more feminism onto the fire. Surely every Japanese leader has considered that the foreign system of family law imposed by the occupation government &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be to blame, even if he can&#039;t say it out loud, and he&#039;s probably taken the further logical step of thinking about why he can&#039;t say it out loud. What could the US even do to back off here? Only a radical break with liberalism can solve Japan&#039;s crisis. This is an existential threat and yet it cannot be dealt with except by leaving the US sphere of influence.

That&#039;s the basic flaw in most analyses of the transition from American to Chinese hegemony: it&#039;s assumed that people would prefer America, if only it&#039;d stop acting like America. But an America that doesn&#039;t get to loudly tell others what to do while maintaining little capability or desire to understand their culture or the problems they face is no America at all. There are inherent limitations to American ideology and it can only engage other countries in this crude and belligerent way. China, on the other hand, plays a different game entirely, and both the American and European leadership are ideologically (and perhaps culturally) blind to it. 

What you&#039;re calling for necessitates the transformation of America into anti-America. But America is never going to change in this respect and, without military and economic supremacy, it will suffer a much more substantial loss of global influence than anyone now suspects and much more quickly than anyone now imagines. The developed countries all have problems that can only be solved by leaving the American sphere of influence, it&#039;s just a question of who breaks first. The developing countries don&#039;t want what America is selling now there&#039;s an alternative source of investment with (seemingly) no strings. Besides, there&#039;s already an anti-America and its name is China.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After all, would you rather work with ultra-alien Chinese, or the pleasant and industrious American? The answer is obvious.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at this point I disagree and that&#8217;s why I think the situation is completely hopeless. America likes to think it has some innate appeal, but it has found allies only by systemically co-opting or subverting the ruling class of other countries. The average foreigner watching American TV shows or Hollywood movies might have a benign view of America, but the ruling classes do not. They know what American power really looks like. If they&#8217;re an ally, they know where their own power comes from, and its limitations. They know how stifling American hegemony is.</p>
<p>The fact that nobody in Western-aligned countries can ever say anything that might offend American sensibilities is telling. For example, Japan can&#8217;t openly discuss its demographic crisis except in terms of pouring more feminism onto the fire. Surely every Japanese leader has considered that the foreign system of family law imposed by the occupation government <i>might</i> be to blame, even if he can&#8217;t say it out loud, and he&#8217;s probably taken the further logical step of thinking about why he can&#8217;t say it out loud. What could the US even do to back off here? Only a radical break with liberalism can solve Japan&#8217;s crisis. This is an existential threat and yet it cannot be dealt with except by leaving the US sphere of influence.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the basic flaw in most analyses of the transition from American to Chinese hegemony: it&#8217;s assumed that people would prefer America, if only it&#8217;d stop acting like America. But an America that doesn&#8217;t get to loudly tell others what to do while maintaining little capability or desire to understand their culture or the problems they face is no America at all. There are inherent limitations to American ideology and it can only engage other countries in this crude and belligerent way. China, on the other hand, plays a different game entirely, and both the American and European leadership are ideologically (and perhaps culturally) blind to it. </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re calling for necessitates the transformation of America into anti-America. But America is never going to change in this respect and, without military and economic supremacy, it will suffer a much more substantial loss of global influence than anyone now suspects and much more quickly than anyone now imagines. The developed countries all have problems that can only be solved by leaving the American sphere of influence, it&#8217;s just a question of who breaks first. The developing countries don&#8217;t want what America is selling now there&#8217;s an alternative source of investment with (seemingly) no strings. Besides, there&#8217;s already an anti-America and its name is China.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;By all accounts America’s strategy of sucking Russia into an aggressive, boots-on-the-ground war in the Ukraine has failed.&quot;

By all serious accounts, that&#039;s what we have. But it hasn&#039;t worked out well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By all accounts America’s strategy of sucking Russia into an aggressive, boots-on-the-ground war in the Ukraine has failed.&#8221;</p>
<p>By all serious accounts, that&#8217;s what we have. But it hasn&#8217;t worked out well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/25/a-new-american-foreign-policy-part-two/#comment-12036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitchell Laurel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 04:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark,

ISIS isn&#039;t inflicting acts of foreign terrorism. Do your research into the suspected cases and the most you get is &#039;inspiration&#039;. Everything else is a dud and fearmongering. And yes, the Shiite lack of discipline is causing trouble but that doesn&#039;t make ISIS any better. The Sunni clans revile being ruled by yet a new class of foreigners, this time pseudo-Sunni Wahhabis who&#039;ve never even read the Quran. And no, these Wahhabis can&#039;t fight for the life of them. Compare that to the Shiite militia, trained by the formidable Iranian infantry and there is no comparison. Their continued survival is enabled by American logistical and informational support, which I&#039;ll have to post on in the future to substantiate.

Yemen is also very important, great that you noticed that. People forget about it but its a massive anti-Saudi hole that drives them crazy. The Anti-American rebels have finally weakened the American-backed president to the point that open rebellion is in the air and the Saudis have begun bombing. Its a very important place.

Rest assured, America won&#039;t be taking my advice. If they were capable of that they wouldn&#039;t have all the problems that they do. But its important that we, as the future of the West, have conceptions of what a healthy foreign policy looks like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>ISIS isn&#8217;t inflicting acts of foreign terrorism. Do your research into the suspected cases and the most you get is &#8216;inspiration&#8217;. Everything else is a dud and fearmongering. And yes, the Shiite lack of discipline is causing trouble but that doesn&#8217;t make ISIS any better. The Sunni clans revile being ruled by yet a new class of foreigners, this time pseudo-Sunni Wahhabis who&#8217;ve never even read the Quran. And no, these Wahhabis can&#8217;t fight for the life of them. Compare that to the Shiite militia, trained by the formidable Iranian infantry and there is no comparison. Their continued survival is enabled by American logistical and informational support, which I&#8217;ll have to post on in the future to substantiate.</p>
<p>Yemen is also very important, great that you noticed that. People forget about it but its a massive anti-Saudi hole that drives them crazy. The Anti-American rebels have finally weakened the American-backed president to the point that open rebellion is in the air and the Saudis have begun bombing. Its a very important place.</p>
<p>Rest assured, America won&#8217;t be taking my advice. If they were capable of that they wouldn&#8217;t have all the problems that they do. But its important that we, as the future of the West, have conceptions of what a healthy foreign policy looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am skeptical of the notion that the Islamic State will be defeated soundly. It is a far more potent force than Al Qaeda in Iraq ever was and its growing confidence in acts of foreign terrorism are a sign of widening appeal. It certainly doesn&#039;t help that the massacres committed by enraged Shiite militias against Sunnis are turning the Sunni tribes into the arms of the Islamic State, these very same forces that were so critical to the victory over Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Syria is of course a mess, with new reports that Al Nusra front is experiencing something of a resurrection after a string of defeats. 

But Iran doesn&#039;t necessarily need to defeat ISIS. In fact, they may want to keep it going, since it presents a bigger threat to countries with Sunni majorities (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan) all enemies of Iran, than it does Iran itself. Perhaps Syria is a worthwhile sacrifice to these ends, so long as they can keep Lebanon as a forward operating base, which is of course essential.

Yemen is also going to be critical to Middle East policy. Why do I get the sense we&#039;re going to see some Western intervention there very soon, embroiling us in a sectarian hellhole between Iran and Saudi Arabia? Not that I really care too much. Giving sound foreign policy advice to a Modernist America in order to prolong its hegemony in the world is not high on my list of priorities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am skeptical of the notion that the Islamic State will be defeated soundly. It is a far more potent force than Al Qaeda in Iraq ever was and its growing confidence in acts of foreign terrorism are a sign of widening appeal. It certainly doesn&#8217;t help that the massacres committed by enraged Shiite militias against Sunnis are turning the Sunni tribes into the arms of the Islamic State, these very same forces that were so critical to the victory over Al Qaeda in Iraq.</p>
<p>Syria is of course a mess, with new reports that Al Nusra front is experiencing something of a resurrection after a string of defeats. </p>
<p>But Iran doesn&#8217;t necessarily need to defeat ISIS. In fact, they may want to keep it going, since it presents a bigger threat to countries with Sunni majorities (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan) all enemies of Iran, than it does Iran itself. Perhaps Syria is a worthwhile sacrifice to these ends, so long as they can keep Lebanon as a forward operating base, which is of course essential.</p>
<p>Yemen is also going to be critical to Middle East policy. Why do I get the sense we&#8217;re going to see some Western intervention there very soon, embroiling us in a sectarian hellhole between Iran and Saudi Arabia? Not that I really care too much. Giving sound foreign policy advice to a Modernist America in order to prolong its hegemony in the world is not high on my list of priorities.</p>
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