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	<title>Comments on: Weightlifting and the Threading of Needles</title>
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		<title>By: Esoteric Trad</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Esoteric Trad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2015 08:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comfort is the biggest enemy we face.

Why should people worry about anything when things are good?

Perhaps things just have to get worse for people to care and for the value of the traditional way of life we speak of to become more important. Until it does it will exist amongst the few who seek it out.

Many are happy to just bumble along as long as they still have hot showers, Mcdonalds, Hollywood, and Breaking Bad to watch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comfort is the biggest enemy we face.</p>
<p>Why should people worry about anything when things are good?</p>
<p>Perhaps things just have to get worse for people to care and for the value of the traditional way of life we speak of to become more important. Until it does it will exist amongst the few who seek it out.</p>
<p>Many are happy to just bumble along as long as they still have hot showers, Mcdonalds, Hollywood, and Breaking Bad to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Reactionary Tree</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reactionary Tree]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 00:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We must lift weights to save the white race :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must lift weights to save the white race <img src="http://www.socialmatter.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: John Glanton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Glanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 22:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate the compliments. And yours too up there, Caleb and Jonathan. 

You&#039;re definitely right that the powers that be fundamentally don&#039;t care about the health of the man on the street and that he can eat shit and die for all they care (the perfect description of adult onset diabetes, by the way). It&#039;s one of those wicked problems, though. Is there a way to have wealth and prosperity without having some level of degeneration of the populace across the spectrum. What *would* an enlightened government do? Is it a problem solvable by government in the first place? Important questions indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the compliments. And yours too up there, Caleb and Jonathan. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re definitely right that the powers that be fundamentally don&#8217;t care about the health of the man on the street and that he can eat shit and die for all they care (the perfect description of adult onset diabetes, by the way). It&#8217;s one of those wicked problems, though. Is there a way to have wealth and prosperity without having some level of degeneration of the populace across the spectrum. What *would* an enlightened government do? Is it a problem solvable by government in the first place? Important questions indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordian</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just healthy body, but a healthy orientation towards labor as a way of life.  Liberal economic and political thought alienates labor by treating it like something to be avoided, and therefore as something bad, and leisure as something good.  This creates Marx&#039;s famous &quot;alienation of labor,&quot; wherein the worker is placed in a position of spending 40+ hours a week doing something he is told to despise.

While Marx&#039;s solution is wrong, the problem is real.  If we understand labor through the liberal paradigm, we must necessarily hate one of our natural functions, ie. to work.  On the other hand, we acknowledge that the mind is made in order to think, therefore we should also acknowledge the agrarian principle that the body is made to work.  Traditional societies do not maintain this distinction of labor and leisure, but rather like the Greeks may distinguish business and leisure, ie. public money-making labor and private non-monetized labor.  (This is not universal; antebellum Southern culture, esp. the hinterlands, maintains no such distinctions at all, hence the stereotype &quot;lazy Southerner&quot; who mixes work and play)  Labor is central to the traditional way of life because it is integrated into the person&#039;s lifestyle rather than alienated from the life and segregated to M-F 9-5.

The things you listed as part of the gay/gentrifier lifestyle promote a healthy body but retain the unhealthy attitude toward labor inherent in liberal thought.  Just like Marx promoted the Soviets as replacements for the community, urban leftists promote these replacements for labor.  My position is that replacements are nearly always inferior to the authentic deal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just healthy body, but a healthy orientation towards labor as a way of life.  Liberal economic and political thought alienates labor by treating it like something to be avoided, and therefore as something bad, and leisure as something good.  This creates Marx&#8217;s famous &#8220;alienation of labor,&#8221; wherein the worker is placed in a position of spending 40+ hours a week doing something he is told to despise.</p>
<p>While Marx&#8217;s solution is wrong, the problem is real.  If we understand labor through the liberal paradigm, we must necessarily hate one of our natural functions, ie. to work.  On the other hand, we acknowledge that the mind is made in order to think, therefore we should also acknowledge the agrarian principle that the body is made to work.  Traditional societies do not maintain this distinction of labor and leisure, but rather like the Greeks may distinguish business and leisure, ie. public money-making labor and private non-monetized labor.  (This is not universal; antebellum Southern culture, esp. the hinterlands, maintains no such distinctions at all, hence the stereotype &#8220;lazy Southerner&#8221; who mixes work and play)  Labor is central to the traditional way of life because it is integrated into the person&#8217;s lifestyle rather than alienated from the life and segregated to M-F 9-5.</p>
<p>The things you listed as part of the gay/gentrifier lifestyle promote a healthy body but retain the unhealthy attitude toward labor inherent in liberal thought.  Just like Marx promoted the Soviets as replacements for the community, urban leftists promote these replacements for labor.  My position is that replacements are nearly always inferior to the authentic deal.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to agree that a healthy mind and body are connected. But, you have to explain why the opposite is associated with liberalism. I don&#039;t see this in gentrifiers who are all feminists or gay whiners. They are hugely into yoga, bike riding, health foods, meditation, etc. Activist gays in particular work out religiously to advertise that they are AIDS - and other disease - free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree that a healthy mind and body are connected. But, you have to explain why the opposite is associated with liberalism. I don&#8217;t see this in gentrifiers who are all feminists or gay whiners. They are hugely into yoga, bike riding, health foods, meditation, etc. Activist gays in particular work out religiously to advertise that they are AIDS &#8211; and other disease &#8211; free.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkea</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eye of the Needle was the smallest gate in Jerusalem&#039;s wall. Camel could go through it only when kneeling. Thus the parable of Jesus means that rich man has to kneel before God, put God first in importance order, and wealth to some distant lower position.

Modern life is full of fake superstimuluses that displace real things. E.g. one beetle species&#039; males try to copulate with certain thrown away orange colored cans, because that orange is brighter than the orange in the back of female beetles, which normally attracts the male beetles. Social media displaces real life social relations and families; porn or paid sex displaces sex between man and wife or between lovers; media lies and distortions displace truth, and in general media illusions displace reality; processed and raffinated junk food laden with artificial ingredients displaces real food; sport displaces meaningful work that keeps people fit; artificial, manipulative and in many ways from mans  point of view empty and meaningless city environments displace natural environments, their sceneries, surprises, hardships, obstacles, struggles, discoveries, delights, comforts, versatilities, freedoms, etc.; music videos or New Age -humbug displaces religion and life in a congregation; etc. Although superstimuluses often displace the real things, they leave men mostly fundamentally and inexplicably unsatisfied, weakened, bored, compulsive and half-dead, feeling meaningless and depressed. To counter these feelings and states people often try to intensify and increase the number of superstimuluses, which only makes the negative spiral worse. Ultimately only the real things give deep satisfaction, vigorous mind and body, fulfillment and meaning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eye of the Needle was the smallest gate in Jerusalem&#8217;s wall. Camel could go through it only when kneeling. Thus the parable of Jesus means that rich man has to kneel before God, put God first in importance order, and wealth to some distant lower position.</p>
<p>Modern life is full of fake superstimuluses that displace real things. E.g. one beetle species&#8217; males try to copulate with certain thrown away orange colored cans, because that orange is brighter than the orange in the back of female beetles, which normally attracts the male beetles. Social media displaces real life social relations and families; porn or paid sex displaces sex between man and wife or between lovers; media lies and distortions displace truth, and in general media illusions displace reality; processed and raffinated junk food laden with artificial ingredients displaces real food; sport displaces meaningful work that keeps people fit; artificial, manipulative and in many ways from mans  point of view empty and meaningless city environments displace natural environments, their sceneries, surprises, hardships, obstacles, struggles, discoveries, delights, comforts, versatilities, freedoms, etc.; music videos or New Age -humbug displaces religion and life in a congregation; etc. Although superstimuluses often displace the real things, they leave men mostly fundamentally and inexplicably unsatisfied, weakened, bored, compulsive and half-dead, feeling meaningless and depressed. To counter these feelings and states people often try to intensify and increase the number of superstimuluses, which only makes the negative spiral worse. Ultimately only the real things give deep satisfaction, vigorous mind and body, fulfillment and meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordian</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/12/weightlifting-and-the-threading-of-needles/#comment-11666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely agree.  The struggle to &quot;attempt to maintain a baseline level of masculinity that is entirely irrelevant to my current survival needs&quot; is a significant factor in maintaining our spiritual and cultural equilibrium.  I think the ultimate failure of urban-centered NRx thinkers is how they accept the materialist and neo-Platonist paradigm of modernity which emasculates us and deprives us of half our being.  We are not disembodied &quot;rational minds&quot; floating around in meat sacks.  Our body and mind are an organic, integral, whole.  I like how you compared lack of physical fitness to lack of mental fitness; these things are fundamentally related!  Just as our body and soul exist in essential unity, our health is a unified concept, both physical and mental.  Just as our minds require problems to stay strong, our body requires labor.  The alienation of labor is a significant problem under modern liberal thought, but the answer is not Socialism, the answer is traditionalism, or returning to the healthy laboring habits of our ancestor.

The beginning is easy.  Fire the illegal Mexican who does your house, buy a manual-propelled lawn mower, and cut your own grass.  Find more ways to demonetize your life by replacing hirelings with your own labor, and strike two blows against the Left simultaneously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agree.  The struggle to &#8220;attempt to maintain a baseline level of masculinity that is entirely irrelevant to my current survival needs&#8221; is a significant factor in maintaining our spiritual and cultural equilibrium.  I think the ultimate failure of urban-centered NRx thinkers is how they accept the materialist and neo-Platonist paradigm of modernity which emasculates us and deprives us of half our being.  We are not disembodied &#8220;rational minds&#8221; floating around in meat sacks.  Our body and mind are an organic, integral, whole.  I like how you compared lack of physical fitness to lack of mental fitness; these things are fundamentally related!  Just as our body and soul exist in essential unity, our health is a unified concept, both physical and mental.  Just as our minds require problems to stay strong, our body requires labor.  The alienation of labor is a significant problem under modern liberal thought, but the answer is not Socialism, the answer is traditionalism, or returning to the healthy laboring habits of our ancestor.</p>
<p>The beginning is easy.  Fire the illegal Mexican who does your house, buy a manual-propelled lawn mower, and cut your own grass.  Find more ways to demonetize your life by replacing hirelings with your own labor, and strike two blows against the Left simultaneously.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely put and very true. We need to rethink the concept of human rights. The whole idea has corrupted and weakened us. Nothing in traditional western culture concerned itself with this aberration caused by excessive wealth.

Forcing people to be &quot;good&quot; by taxing them against their will is insane. The recipients are not grateful while those who &quot;care&quot; cannot exercise compassion because they are being compelled. Normal white men are viewed with contempt as weaklings for caving to threats of violence. On the one hand people addicted angrily demand their &quot;rights,&quot; while on the other they are reduced to acting like children who must be placated by politicians seeking the line of least resistance.

Natural hierarchy is upended. Boys can no longer establish their position in the world through normal &quot;bullying.&quot; Aggression is normal in healthy boys. Attempting to pervert human nature produces an ever more violent reaction. In a sane society, aggression would be tempered by communal rituals that bond young men, initiating them into manhood, both sexually and spiritually. No women allowed. The thwarting of ritual also prevents a communal sharing of a foundation myth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put and very true. We need to rethink the concept of human rights. The whole idea has corrupted and weakened us. Nothing in traditional western culture concerned itself with this aberration caused by excessive wealth.</p>
<p>Forcing people to be &#8220;good&#8221; by taxing them against their will is insane. The recipients are not grateful while those who &#8220;care&#8221; cannot exercise compassion because they are being compelled. Normal white men are viewed with contempt as weaklings for caving to threats of violence. On the one hand people addicted angrily demand their &#8220;rights,&#8221; while on the other they are reduced to acting like children who must be placated by politicians seeking the line of least resistance.</p>
<p>Natural hierarchy is upended. Boys can no longer establish their position in the world through normal &#8220;bullying.&#8221; Aggression is normal in healthy boys. Attempting to pervert human nature produces an ever more violent reaction. In a sane society, aggression would be tempered by communal rituals that bond young men, initiating them into manhood, both sexually and spiritually. No women allowed. The thwarting of ritual also prevents a communal sharing of a foundation myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Frost</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allow me to come in with an assist on the take-home point.

The failure of modern society to promote healthy lifestyles in the masses is damning. A government which allows its people to degenerate physically to their current state is not worthy of power.  

How should a government manage the health of the people? How would a neoreactionary government differ from what we have now in terms of managing food supply, promoting physical activity through urban design, building a culture that venerates health, etc.? This is an important question within the larger framework of providing a viable alternative to the status quo.

Excellent post btw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to come in with an assist on the take-home point.</p>
<p>The failure of modern society to promote healthy lifestyles in the masses is damning. A government which allows its people to degenerate physically to their current state is not worthy of power.  </p>
<p>How should a government manage the health of the people? How would a neoreactionary government differ from what we have now in terms of managing food supply, promoting physical activity through urban design, building a culture that venerates health, etc.? This is an important question within the larger framework of providing a viable alternative to the status quo.</p>
<p>Excellent post btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caleb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 13:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent, excellent post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, excellent post.</p>
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