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	<title>Comments on: Russia Is Not Our Saviour</title>
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		<title>By: Larry Fernandes</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 00:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very good, sober and down-to-earth analysis. Thank you very much for writing and sharing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good, sober and down-to-earth analysis. Thank you very much for writing and sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkea</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/06/russia-saviour/#comment-11617</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Addition, metaphorically Traditionalists should beware that they dont end up to the same kind of situation as Carrie Underwood in the song &#039;Last Name&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition, metaphorically Traditionalists should beware that they dont end up to the same kind of situation as Carrie Underwood in the song &#8216;Last Name&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkea</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/06/russia-saviour/#comment-11616</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. It is of course in our interests that Russia becomes stable, prosperous and peaceful enough country, with which mutually beneficial trade is the norm; that it becomes generally a good place to live for its citizens. Traditionalists in the liberal West are politically hungry, so when they see something, anything which coheres with their views in the European sphere, they clutch to it. Russia serves this purpose for some. People have a psychological tendency to think that power equals morality. Putin is powerful nationally and internationally, so some Traditionalists think fairly superficially that Putin is a good moral force. I would direct your attention to the following:

- Since Russia was ruled by Mongols, it has had strong brutal and corrupt Asiatic influences in its culture. Russian culture is to some extent Western, but it is also to some extent alien. Russians themselves often call their culture Eurasian culture, and their people Eurasian people. They lack most of the negative and obnoxious aspects of political correctness, but they dont have much pro-White attitudes on the other side of scale. Russia is mostly pro-Eurasian empire country. Interests of Russian empire trumps  all other concerns. Western Traditionalists would likely be at best the tools of Russian empire. Many Russians are genuinely Traditionalists and Orthodox, but to the Russian elite Tradionalism and Orthodoxy are mostly tools of power.

- According to Russian Conquerors -documentary, highest Russian authorities rob their own people to a large scope from billionaire entrepreneurs to ordinary citizens, both directly on their orders and indirectly in their protection through bribery of courts, police generals, highest bureaucrats etc. Boris Berezovsky estimated that half of Russian wealth has changed hands in this way since the late last century, mostly from competent and capable hands to incompetent and short termist hands. Those who resist will be be tortured, killed, put to jail or expelled from the country. It doesnt prevent the robbery if the billionaire didnt participate opposition politics, did pay his bribes, had good relations with the higher authorities or prepared to prevent robbery beforehand. Normally billionaires are treated like royalty in dictatorships, if they pay their bribes (in a way local taxes), but not in Russia. Billionaires and ordinary citizens are robbed with equal brutality. There are of course small protected circle of billionaires inside the highest power circle, but only a few billionaires are allowed to enter. When Russian authorities relate in this way to their own people, they project the same attitude in a worse way to outside people. The worse the Russian economy becomes because of these robberies, the more Russian elites have pressures to expand their empire by military means.

- Many opposition politicians, journalists, lawyers, activists etc. have been murdered and it is generally thought that these murders have mostly been arranged by highest authorities. The last case is the murder of Nemtsov. The highest authorities conduct directly the investigations of Nemtsov murder, so it is likely that scapegoats are found, or there are no results. It is said that everybody in Russia fears Putin now. Russians call Putin respectfully &quot;Papa&quot; (Father), and Fathers have tradionally been brutal in Russia, e.g. Stalin was called Father Sunshine (father in this case doesnt refer to priest).

- According to media reports it has become normal and accepted among Russia&#039;s intellectuals and politicians to threaten their neighbor countries militarily and demand e.g. the restoration of 1914 borders of Russia, which would require conquest of Finland, Poland and other countries. Russia conquered Krim from Ukraine and wages war in Ukraine mainland. Russia attacked Georgia. Russians have two successful high tech industries, military production and primary production of oil, minerals etc., and they have made large investments to military equipment. Because of these reasons threats are credible. I wonder how pro-White it is to attack a White country, Ukraine, kill a lot of Whites there, and threaten other White countries with the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. It is of course in our interests that Russia becomes stable, prosperous and peaceful enough country, with which mutually beneficial trade is the norm; that it becomes generally a good place to live for its citizens. Traditionalists in the liberal West are politically hungry, so when they see something, anything which coheres with their views in the European sphere, they clutch to it. Russia serves this purpose for some. People have a psychological tendency to think that power equals morality. Putin is powerful nationally and internationally, so some Traditionalists think fairly superficially that Putin is a good moral force. I would direct your attention to the following:</p>
<p>&#8211; Since Russia was ruled by Mongols, it has had strong brutal and corrupt Asiatic influences in its culture. Russian culture is to some extent Western, but it is also to some extent alien. Russians themselves often call their culture Eurasian culture, and their people Eurasian people. They lack most of the negative and obnoxious aspects of political correctness, but they dont have much pro-White attitudes on the other side of scale. Russia is mostly pro-Eurasian empire country. Interests of Russian empire trumps  all other concerns. Western Traditionalists would likely be at best the tools of Russian empire. Many Russians are genuinely Traditionalists and Orthodox, but to the Russian elite Tradionalism and Orthodoxy are mostly tools of power.</p>
<p>&#8211; According to Russian Conquerors -documentary, highest Russian authorities rob their own people to a large scope from billionaire entrepreneurs to ordinary citizens, both directly on their orders and indirectly in their protection through bribery of courts, police generals, highest bureaucrats etc. Boris Berezovsky estimated that half of Russian wealth has changed hands in this way since the late last century, mostly from competent and capable hands to incompetent and short termist hands. Those who resist will be be tortured, killed, put to jail or expelled from the country. It doesnt prevent the robbery if the billionaire didnt participate opposition politics, did pay his bribes, had good relations with the higher authorities or prepared to prevent robbery beforehand. Normally billionaires are treated like royalty in dictatorships, if they pay their bribes (in a way local taxes), but not in Russia. Billionaires and ordinary citizens are robbed with equal brutality. There are of course small protected circle of billionaires inside the highest power circle, but only a few billionaires are allowed to enter. When Russian authorities relate in this way to their own people, they project the same attitude in a worse way to outside people. The worse the Russian economy becomes because of these robberies, the more Russian elites have pressures to expand their empire by military means.</p>
<p>&#8211; Many opposition politicians, journalists, lawyers, activists etc. have been murdered and it is generally thought that these murders have mostly been arranged by highest authorities. The last case is the murder of Nemtsov. The highest authorities conduct directly the investigations of Nemtsov murder, so it is likely that scapegoats are found, or there are no results. It is said that everybody in Russia fears Putin now. Russians call Putin respectfully &#8220;Papa&#8221; (Father), and Fathers have tradionally been brutal in Russia, e.g. Stalin was called Father Sunshine (father in this case doesnt refer to priest).</p>
<p>&#8211; According to media reports it has become normal and accepted among Russia&#8217;s intellectuals and politicians to threaten their neighbor countries militarily and demand e.g. the restoration of 1914 borders of Russia, which would require conquest of Finland, Poland and other countries. Russia conquered Krim from Ukraine and wages war in Ukraine mainland. Russia attacked Georgia. Russians have two successful high tech industries, military production and primary production of oil, minerals etc., and they have made large investments to military equipment. Because of these reasons threats are credible. I wonder how pro-White it is to attack a White country, Ukraine, kill a lot of Whites there, and threaten other White countries with the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Yuray</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should perhaps state that I agree with the thrust of this article. I am aware and have previously analyzed this situation in this very mag:

http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/02/clash-of-civilizations-in-2015/

If I lionize Russia it&#039;s as a Slavic Slavophile, not as a neoreactionary. Russia is separate from the West in a civilizational sense to a large (though not total) degree, and Russia is a threat to the Western West as much as Islam, although for obvious reasons Russia may be somewhat of a good threat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should perhaps state that I agree with the thrust of this article. I am aware and have previously analyzed this situation in this very mag:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/02/clash-of-civilizations-in-2015/" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/02/clash-of-civilizations-in-2015/</a></p>
<p>If I lionize Russia it&#8217;s as a Slavic Slavophile, not as a neoreactionary. Russia is separate from the West in a civilizational sense to a large (though not total) degree, and Russia is a threat to the Western West as much as Islam, although for obvious reasons Russia may be somewhat of a good threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 05:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Putting things in overly simplistic terms, I see Russia as a weakening agent against the Western elite. If they are damaged geopolitically, they will be easier to remove. We have example after example throughout history of a powerful elite being damaged by a foreign power before being internally toppled. Yes, Russia clearly has geopolitical goals as well as ideological ones, but their ideological rejection of Modernity is something unique to be valued. The Chinese for example, seem to have pure geopolitical and economic interests. None of their elite really believes in Communism anymore. 

Dugin can be accurately described as a Reactionary, in spite of the many disagreements I have with him. He can also be said to be the Reactionary with the absolute most political influence today. That counts for something, even if only as a subject of inspiration.

My advice would be to wait and see just how influential 4PT becomes in Russia. If it continues to grow, and the Reactionary beachhead in the West continues to grow as well, expect to hear from Dugin&#039;s ambassadors. Just be cautious. Don&#039;t be a shill, don&#039;t be a pawn, and keep all analysis of Russia objective and well-grounded in facts. All in all, your article provides good judgment on the subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting things in overly simplistic terms, I see Russia as a weakening agent against the Western elite. If they are damaged geopolitically, they will be easier to remove. We have example after example throughout history of a powerful elite being damaged by a foreign power before being internally toppled. Yes, Russia clearly has geopolitical goals as well as ideological ones, but their ideological rejection of Modernity is something unique to be valued. The Chinese for example, seem to have pure geopolitical and economic interests. None of their elite really believes in Communism anymore. </p>
<p>Dugin can be accurately described as a Reactionary, in spite of the many disagreements I have with him. He can also be said to be the Reactionary with the absolute most political influence today. That counts for something, even if only as a subject of inspiration.</p>
<p>My advice would be to wait and see just how influential 4PT becomes in Russia. If it continues to grow, and the Reactionary beachhead in the West continues to grow as well, expect to hear from Dugin&#8217;s ambassadors. Just be cautious. Don&#8217;t be a shill, don&#8217;t be a pawn, and keep all analysis of Russia objective and well-grounded in facts. All in all, your article provides good judgment on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Milton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/03/06/russia-saviour/#comment-11469</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a lot of promise in the growing Orthodox communities in the West. But anyone familiar with the histories of the Franks or the Byzantines will be aware that religious authority can be used to elevate political interests, sometimes to the detriment of said religion (filioque controversy, anyone?). Many communions other than the Russian one have also established communities in the West and the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity here is not dependent on Russia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot of promise in the growing Orthodox communities in the West. But anyone familiar with the histories of the Franks or the Byzantines will be aware that religious authority can be used to elevate political interests, sometimes to the detriment of said religion (filioque controversy, anyone?). Many communions other than the Russian one have also established communities in the West and the resurgence of Orthodox Christianity here is not dependent on Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: old coyote</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus Christ is our Savior.  Putin and Russia represent the last bastion of ( &quot;orthodox&quot; ) Christianity in European civilization; this speaks directly to the heart felt &#039;patriarchy&#039; in white european males around the world. Whether or not Russia has some political &quot;best interests&quot; for the rest of the world (and why should it- they are russians?) is inconsequential to the fact that a perception has taken hold in which traditional christian values are being upheld in Russia: thus white christian europeans root for these people to hold out and &quot;win&quot; against the forces of Sabbatean Judaism which has conquered the rest of the West.  Agree: the future is unknowable, yet our hope and faith remain that the forces of darkness will fail (again) when this current empire of satan is overthrown.  The era of the nation-state could be thrown down in the coming collapse of cheap energy and the failure of  the usurers to complete the new Babel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus Christ is our Savior.  Putin and Russia represent the last bastion of ( &#8220;orthodox&#8221; ) Christianity in European civilization; this speaks directly to the heart felt &#8216;patriarchy&#8217; in white european males around the world. Whether or not Russia has some political &#8220;best interests&#8221; for the rest of the world (and why should it- they are russians?) is inconsequential to the fact that a perception has taken hold in which traditional christian values are being upheld in Russia: thus white christian europeans root for these people to hold out and &#8220;win&#8221; against the forces of Sabbatean Judaism which has conquered the rest of the West.  Agree: the future is unknowable, yet our hope and faith remain that the forces of darkness will fail (again) when this current empire of satan is overthrown.  The era of the nation-state could be thrown down in the coming collapse of cheap energy and the failure of  the usurers to complete the new Babel.</p>
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