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	<title>Comments on: Islamobolshevism: Arise, Ye Wretched Of The Earth</title>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/05/islamobolshevism-arise-ye-wretched-earth/#comment-10524</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorenzo from Oz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, but &#039;nation&#039; does not have a racial connotation necessarily.  Italian nationalism tended to be philosemitic, for example, since the Papacy was both anti-Semitic and an enemy of Italian nationalism.  Mussolini himself said that he did not agree with Hitler&#039;s racial ideas--to Mussolini, you were Italian if you thought yourself Italian.  (Though his puppet Salo Republic adopted them.)

But I would agree that patriotism is about country, and nationalism is about ethnic identity* (usually largely linguistic).  Those &quot;nations&quot; which occupied the corpse of the Western Roman Empire had a fair degree of self-creation involved (ethnogenesis, as the scholars call it).

*American patriotism I understand: American nationalism which purports to celebrate some ur-ethnic identity seems to me to miss the point of the US; which is an ideocratic state, never an ethnic one.  You&#039;re American if you think yourself American--and lots of folk choose to do just that and have for centuries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but &#8216;nation&#8217; does not have a racial connotation necessarily.  Italian nationalism tended to be philosemitic, for example, since the Papacy was both anti-Semitic and an enemy of Italian nationalism.  Mussolini himself said that he did not agree with Hitler&#8217;s racial ideas&#8211;to Mussolini, you were Italian if you thought yourself Italian.  (Though his puppet Salo Republic adopted them.)</p>
<p>But I would agree that patriotism is about country, and nationalism is about ethnic identity* (usually largely linguistic).  Those &#8220;nations&#8221; which occupied the corpse of the Western Roman Empire had a fair degree of self-creation involved (ethnogenesis, as the scholars call it).</p>
<p>*American patriotism I understand: American nationalism which purports to celebrate some ur-ethnic identity seems to me to miss the point of the US; which is an ideocratic state, never an ethnic one.  You&#8217;re American if you think yourself American&#8211;and lots of folk choose to do just that and have for centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiDem</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the second-best WorldNet Daily article ever to appear on Social Matter.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/02/05/islamobolshevism-arise-ye-wretched-earth/#comment-10494</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your analysis is rather astute. The term &#039;nation&#039; however does have a racial connotation and Mussolini did not seem to concern himself with race too much, as Hitler did. Might we say Fascism is all about the &#039;country&#039; or did Mussolini actually believe in a more spiritual concept of race, like that which Evola proposed. 

I don&#039;t really group Islamism in with either Bolshevism or fascism. It appears to be as the result of Sunni Islam&#039;s lack of religious hierarchy and a new violent Puritanism that tries to be as anti-western as possible. Noteworthy is Islam&#039;s lack of attacks on right wing groups and structures here. modernism is a pretty effective human bullet shield due to its dominance over the culture. We never see &#039;right wing bigot killed by Al Qaeda&#039;. they have other axes to grind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis is rather astute. The term &#8216;nation&#8217; however does have a racial connotation and Mussolini did not seem to concern himself with race too much, as Hitler did. Might we say Fascism is all about the &#8216;country&#8217; or did Mussolini actually believe in a more spiritual concept of race, like that which Evola proposed. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really group Islamism in with either Bolshevism or fascism. It appears to be as the result of Sunni Islam&#8217;s lack of religious hierarchy and a new violent Puritanism that tries to be as anti-western as possible. Noteworthy is Islam&#8217;s lack of attacks on right wing groups and structures here. modernism is a pretty effective human bullet shield due to its dominance over the culture. We never see &#8216;right wing bigot killed by Al Qaeda&#8217;. they have other axes to grind.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorenzo from Oz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 05:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Islam can never be fascist because fascism is a movement of the besieged bourgeoisie.&quot;  Too much Marxism in your analysis.  Fascism is the collectivism of nation, Nazism is the collectivism of race.  Yes, the distressed bourgeoisie came to both of them, but so did the peasantry and significant working class voters.  Nor were either of them &quot;top down&quot; movements. In fact, Nazism in particular was a pioneer of mass organisation techniques.

So, I would argue that the jihadis are very much the Islamic equivalent of the Nazis and the Fascists--modernising opponents of modernity, atavistic, looking back to a age of heroic warriors. 

Of course, there were connections to Leninism--operational ones.  Mussolini was a close student of Lenin and used his notion of total politics for a different political project.  If Lenin was Marx + Robespierre, Mussolini was Mazzini + Robespierre, Hitler was Houston Stewart Chamberlain + Robespierre.  So, they were operational Bolsheviks if not in aim.

If the Radical Enlightenment project of Bolshevism collapses, then the Counter Enlightenment can well be more attractive in its romantic extremism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam can never be fascist because fascism is a movement of the besieged bourgeoisie.&#8221;  Too much Marxism in your analysis.  Fascism is the collectivism of nation, Nazism is the collectivism of race.  Yes, the distressed bourgeoisie came to both of them, but so did the peasantry and significant working class voters.  Nor were either of them &#8220;top down&#8221; movements. In fact, Nazism in particular was a pioneer of mass organisation techniques.</p>
<p>So, I would argue that the jihadis are very much the Islamic equivalent of the Nazis and the Fascists&#8211;modernising opponents of modernity, atavistic, looking back to a age of heroic warriors. </p>
<p>Of course, there were connections to Leninism&#8211;operational ones.  Mussolini was a close student of Lenin and used his notion of total politics for a different political project.  If Lenin was Marx + Robespierre, Mussolini was Mazzini + Robespierre, Hitler was Houston Stewart Chamberlain + Robespierre.  So, they were operational Bolsheviks if not in aim.</p>
<p>If the Radical Enlightenment project of Bolshevism collapses, then the Counter Enlightenment can well be more attractive in its romantic extremism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Citadel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Citadel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 04:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;from the chains of reactionary monarchist Christians&quot;

Hey, Lenin... we&#039;re baaaaaaack]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;from the chains of reactionary monarchist Christians&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, Lenin&#8230; we&#8217;re baaaaaaack</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few years back I said shahada and converted to Islam.  Like most converts, I didn&#039;t last long.  More than anything, I grew sick of the intense anti-white, anti-Western attitudes amongst my new &quot;brothers and sisters&quot;.  Most of the other white converts I encountered were extremely leftist in their attitudes.  One in particular was a total Marxist caricature of an individual.  I also encountered a strong victim mentality among those born into Islam, allied with a smug arrogance about the glories of a mythical Islamic past.  Most of the ones I encountered could seemingly never stop trumpeting how wonderfully &quot;color blind&quot; and multicultural their faith is.  All in all, my personal experiences completely align with the thoughts of this article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years back I said shahada and converted to Islam.  Like most converts, I didn&#8217;t last long.  More than anything, I grew sick of the intense anti-white, anti-Western attitudes amongst my new &#8220;brothers and sisters&#8221;.  Most of the other white converts I encountered were extremely leftist in their attitudes.  One in particular was a total Marxist caricature of an individual.  I also encountered a strong victim mentality among those born into Islam, allied with a smug arrogance about the glories of a mythical Islamic past.  Most of the ones I encountered could seemingly never stop trumpeting how wonderfully &#8220;color blind&#8221; and multicultural their faith is.  All in all, my personal experiences completely align with the thoughts of this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at the links between Leninism and Sayyid Qutb.  Qutb got his training from university Leninists, and his book, Milestones, serves as the nexus of Islam and Communism, focusing on the notion of the &quot;revolutionary vanguard&quot; of the Islamic State which forms the basis of modern-day terror tactics and the &quot;takfir&quot; doctrines which are drawn straight from Marx.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the links between Leninism and Sayyid Qutb.  Qutb got his training from university Leninists, and his book, Milestones, serves as the nexus of Islam and Communism, focusing on the notion of the &#8220;revolutionary vanguard&#8221; of the Islamic State which forms the basis of modern-day terror tactics and the &#8220;takfir&#8221; doctrines which are drawn straight from Marx.</p>
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