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	<description>Not Your Grandfather&#039;s Conservatism</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan .M</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9389</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan .M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2015 07:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are we so certain that China Inc. has done all that good a job suppressing nationalism? Kong Qingdong is a human cartoon, and Beijing postures no less stupidly than Tokyo in diplomatic spats. Riling up the lower orders with histrionic entertainment isn&#039;t needed to save face.

Ongoing urbanization means further relocation of country folk: more proles means more city dwellers inclined toward things like &quot;anti-Japanese and pro-expansionist nationalism.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we so certain that China Inc. has done all that good a job suppressing nationalism? Kong Qingdong is a human cartoon, and Beijing postures no less stupidly than Tokyo in diplomatic spats. Riling up the lower orders with histrionic entertainment isn&#8217;t needed to save face.</p>
<p>Ongoing urbanization means further relocation of country folk: more proles means more city dwellers inclined toward things like &#8220;anti-Japanese and pro-expansionist nationalism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Milton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9386</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2015 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fail to see why &quot;destroying China&quot; is useful, necessary, or even nationalist. Enduring political power tends to be based on building wealth, not destroying it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see why &#8220;destroying China&#8221; is useful, necessary, or even nationalist. Enduring political power tends to be based on building wealth, not destroying it.</p>
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		<title>By: peterike</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2015 03:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China&#039;s great economic growth was handed to them on a platter by traitorous Western elites. It was not &quot;won&quot; by any great Chinese fitness or superiority. It can just as easily be taken back (still, but eventually there will be a tipping point). But of course that would require us to have elites that are nationalists and not globalist traitors, and there is no sign of that on the horizon.  Hey, I&#039;m not even Paul Krugman or nothing, but I can fashion a nationalist economic plan that would destroy China and provide a gigantic economic boom to Western nations, and it takes me about 15 minutes of thinking to sketch it out, but then I&#039;m not Paul Krugman or nothing so what do I know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China&#8217;s great economic growth was handed to them on a platter by traitorous Western elites. It was not &#8220;won&#8221; by any great Chinese fitness or superiority. It can just as easily be taken back (still, but eventually there will be a tipping point). But of course that would require us to have elites that are nationalists and not globalist traitors, and there is no sign of that on the horizon.  Hey, I&#8217;m not even Paul Krugman or nothing, but I can fashion a nationalist economic plan that would destroy China and provide a gigantic economic boom to Western nations, and it takes me about 15 minutes of thinking to sketch it out, but then I&#8217;m not Paul Krugman or nothing so what do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Yuray</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9260</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adding pictures now, are we? A commendable development. Good article. China is hugely pertinent to NRx ideas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding pictures now, are we? A commendable development. Good article. China is hugely pertinent to NRx ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9259</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 21:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read anything about this, just my observation.  Almost no public courses in Asia. Even China. Yet golf is very high status.

Maybe its too early to tell. I don&#039;t know.

In a kind of parallel, there are plenty of struggling western-influenced artists in India and China. But few artist-run venues. Upper caste owners tend to control the galleries. Especially India. A very sharp divide. Maybe in China there&#039;s there&#039;s a bit more of a leveling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read anything about this, just my observation.  Almost no public courses in Asia. Even China. Yet golf is very high status.</p>
<p>Maybe its too early to tell. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>In a kind of parallel, there are plenty of struggling western-influenced artists in India and China. But few artist-run venues. Upper caste owners tend to control the galleries. Especially India. A very sharp divide. Maybe in China there&#8217;s there&#8217;s a bit more of a leveling.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Milton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ash Milton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Golf courses are an interesting metric. Do you have a source? It sounds rather Bowling Alone to me but I might be wrong.

The same sort of white people (urban, liberal) who protest police would likely be easily manipulated into voting for increased police scope and power to counter threats associated with lower class whites. It&#039;s actually similar to what the SPLC and similar groups already do. In a society where social trust is low and the only common institution is the state, the police will inevitably be viewed as sympathizing with certain groups over others and be distrusted by huge swathes of the population. Otherwise necessary changes in police methods to deal with this sort of society (high militarization, faster trigger fingers) serve to reinforce this polarization.

I&#039;m skeptical of the view that some people on the right and left have that the US is in a stage of such total decline that it will more or less disappear in the coming years. Unlike the USSR, the US is the worlds biggest hub of trade and investment. It&#039;s much more likely that the average citizen will just end up interacting less and less with USG entities. And hey, that was the case for the first half or more of American history anyway. And yes, it will look far more like the ROW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golf courses are an interesting metric. Do you have a source? It sounds rather Bowling Alone to me but I might be wrong.</p>
<p>The same sort of white people (urban, liberal) who protest police would likely be easily manipulated into voting for increased police scope and power to counter threats associated with lower class whites. It&#8217;s actually similar to what the SPLC and similar groups already do. In a society where social trust is low and the only common institution is the state, the police will inevitably be viewed as sympathizing with certain groups over others and be distrusted by huge swathes of the population. Otherwise necessary changes in police methods to deal with this sort of society (high militarization, faster trigger fingers) serve to reinforce this polarization.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m skeptical of the view that some people on the right and left have that the US is in a stage of such total decline that it will more or less disappear in the coming years. Unlike the USSR, the US is the worlds biggest hub of trade and investment. It&#8217;s much more likely that the average citizen will just end up interacting less and less with USG entities. And hey, that was the case for the first half or more of American history anyway. And yes, it will look far more like the ROW.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 17:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A more &lt;em&gt;perfect&lt;/em&gt; union.&quot; -- US Constitution]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A more <em>perfect</em> union.&#8221; &#8212; US Constitution</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2015/01/02/political-antifragility-china-west/#comment-9251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 16:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric Li&#039;s talk to TED reminds me of St. Paul&#039;s sermon on Mars Hill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Li&#8217;s talk to TED reminds me of St. Paul&#8217;s sermon on Mars Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: IA</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article. I like the reference to ghost cities, and the link.

The biggest problem with the USA and a powerful central government is that the elites hate their own people. Well, the white ones anyway. Han chinese are very protective and strongly identify with other Han, which are well over 90% of the population.

And, of course, whites are the most productive. And white middle class culture created the trust necessary for prosperity and innovation to flourish. Can you have a middle class in a police state? China blocks many websites, probably this one. Scapegoating the wrong whites as racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, hater, bigot, etc., is creating a kind of police state mentality. Feedback loops are constricting, similar to losing face in China.

The inefficiency caused by lowered trust and disparate impact hiring in government and private business could seriously undermine the longterm economy. Right now, 58% of state college students are women, only 42% are men. There is no concern from the left about glass ceilings or inequality here! The next bubble could very well be student loans.

Still, the US could stumble along for some time. China, like the Rest of the World (outside Euroland) is even more screwed up. But the West, in particular the USA, is looking more like the ROW.

A rough gauge to use is the ratio of public to private golf courses in a society. With higher public course ratios you will see a healthier middle class and a higher trust culture. Also, Ebay and online trading. Vitually non-existent in low-trust cultures such as China and India.

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I like the reference to ghost cities, and the link.</p>
<p>The biggest problem with the USA and a powerful central government is that the elites hate their own people. Well, the white ones anyway. Han chinese are very protective and strongly identify with other Han, which are well over 90% of the population.</p>
<p>And, of course, whites are the most productive. And white middle class culture created the trust necessary for prosperity and innovation to flourish. Can you have a middle class in a police state? China blocks many websites, probably this one. Scapegoating the wrong whites as racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, hater, bigot, etc., is creating a kind of police state mentality. Feedback loops are constricting, similar to losing face in China.</p>
<p>The inefficiency caused by lowered trust and disparate impact hiring in government and private business could seriously undermine the longterm economy. Right now, 58% of state college students are women, only 42% are men. There is no concern from the left about glass ceilings or inequality here! The next bubble could very well be student loans.</p>
<p>Still, the US could stumble along for some time. China, like the Rest of the World (outside Euroland) is even more screwed up. But the West, in particular the USA, is looking more like the ROW.</p>
<p>A rough gauge to use is the ratio of public to private golf courses in a society. With higher public course ratios you will see a healthier middle class and a higher trust culture. Also, Ebay and online trading. Vitually non-existent in low-trust cultures such as China and India.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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