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		<title>By: Gustav Mikailovich</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[This clarifies a lot of the points raised by the OP. It seems to me that much of the &#039;intellectualism&#039; of the left is word-salad sophistry designed to status signal, rent seek and solidify the power of the liberal elite. For fun, try out the postmodern generator: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

The central problem appears to be the democratic system, as outlined by Moldbug. But to what extent are conservatives actually a different breed (if you count them as &#039;right liberals&#039; philosophically - how long will it be until every liberal premise is absorbed into conservative platforms (e.g civil rights dogma)? How will the left manufacture and magnify increasingly minor squibbles? Does the right require an intellectually and philosophically coherent foundation to withstand and defeat liberalism? Should average-joe republican need to understand it for it to work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clarifies a lot of the points raised by the OP. It seems to me that much of the &#8216;intellectualism&#8217; of the left is word-salad sophistry designed to status signal, rent seek and solidify the power of the liberal elite. For fun, try out the postmodern generator: <a href="http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/</a></p>
<p>The central problem appears to be the democratic system, as outlined by Moldbug. But to what extent are conservatives actually a different breed (if you count them as &#8216;right liberals&#8217; philosophically &#8211; how long will it be until every liberal premise is absorbed into conservative platforms (e.g civil rights dogma)? How will the left manufacture and magnify increasingly minor squibbles? Does the right require an intellectually and philosophically coherent foundation to withstand and defeat liberalism? Should average-joe republican need to understand it for it to work?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Doolittle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2014 20:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THE WRONG QUESTION?

Does intellectual conservatism exist? This may be the wrong question.

I’ll argue that yes, intellectual conservatism does exist. Although, when you say “intellectual” it is somewhat troublesome, because it’s not sufficiently articulate for the purpose you intend. Instead, humans demonstrate the ability to argue( persuade or justify) using a limited number of frameworks – and those frameworks constitute a spectrum of complexity from the simplistically intuitive to the ratio-empirical.  The question is, what form of argument do you consider to be classifiable as intellectual, where on this spectrum to conservatives conduct their arguments, and for what reason do they fail to conduct their arguments in the manner you consider intellectual.

ARGUMENTATIVE SPECTRUM
1) EXPRESSIVE (emotional): a type of argument where a person expresses a positive or negative opinion based upon his emotional response to the subject. While used as an argument, it is not. It is merely an opinion or expression.
2) SENTIMENTAL (biological): a type of argument that relies upon one of the five (or six) human sentiments, and their artifacts as captured in human traditions, morals, or other unarticulated, but nevertheless consistently and universally demonstrated preferences and behaviors.
3) MORAL (normative) : a type of argument that relies upon a set of assumedly normative rules of whose origin is either (a)socially contractual, (b)biologically natural, (c) economically necessary, or even (d)divine.
4) HISTORICAL (analogical / correlative):
5) RATIONAL (internally consistent)
6) SCIENTIFIC (correlative and directly empirical)
7) ECONOMIC: (correlative and *indirectly* empirical)
8) RATIO-EMPIRICAL (Comprehensive, internally consistent and externally correspondent)

Conservatism, when discussed outside of economics, where it is almost never discussed, is almost always expressed in arational terms (moral argument).  Sometimes it is expressed in legal terms - the classical liberal and constitutionalist argument).  Sometimes it is expressed in what we call the Burkeian or &#039;psychological&#039; form of argument.  But  rarely as an analytic, scientific, or economic argument.  And never as the central propositions of conservatism - because those central propositions would be untenable to a popular democratic polity - even if they were indeed morally, economically, and politically superior.  This is because the popular democratic argument is a failed one, that is in direct conflict with conservatism as a social, economic, political and legal strategy.

So, conservatism is argued most often, &quot;arationally&quot;.  The value of conservatism, as an *ARATIONAL* social system of myths, traditions, habits, and formal institutions, is that such a structure, much like religious faith, is impervious to fashionable changes, and in particular, verbal manipulation by Schumpeterian public intellectuals. In fact, I have argued, and I think successfully, that conservatism as practiced is demonstrably scientific: evidentiary – while progressivism is demonstrably and successfully verbalist. A fact which is somewhat humorous or ironic or depressing depending upon one’s own disposition: in effect while conservatism is arationally structured, and progressivism is rationally structured, it turns out that conservatism as practiced is scientific, and progressive is unscientific (religious). Furthermore, science itself is practiced demonstrably, not argumentatively - which only serves to lend credence to the conservative prohibition on hubris, and the mandate for demonstrated results rather than verbal hypothesis.

THE PROBLEMS OF AN ‘INTELLECTUAL’ CONSERVATISM

1) Just as we solved the calculus and physics, before we solved economics and social science, conservatism has been unsolved (unarticulated in ratio-scientific terms) because it is a more complicated system than we had anticipated. And such complicated systems of thought are very hard to use in argument. Worse, they are hard to use in political argument because, under a democratic polity, we require numbers, and complicated arguments are the province of a permanent minority. Until conservatism is articulated in ratio-empirical form, and until public intellectuals can reduce those complex statements to simple narratives and memes, conservatism (Anglo-European Aristocratic Egalitarianism) is an advanced form of social order that is nearly impossible for ordinary people to argumentatively defend.

2) There doesn’t appear to be demand for intellectual argument in conservatism, precisely because conservatives are so dependent upon taught, learned and innate moral intuition. If conservatives cannot ‘feel’ it then they don’t trust it. This turns out to be fairly good when one prevents adding false ideas to conservatism, but it turns out to be fairly difficult to argue conservatism rationally. So therefore, as a majority, conservatism can function and persist in a body of people. But under democratic rule, cultural and political diversity, the need to argue rationally in order to produce laws, and the ability to use law to impose changes upon the body politic, conservative arationalism is a weakness because conservative principles are not sufficiently defensible against (dishonest) framing, loading, overloading, pseudo-rationalism, and pseudoscience. Which is why the 20th century has been so harmful to conservatism: the cosmopolitans were merely superior at using the media to broadcast and repeat as a mantra, nearly any framed, loaded, overloaded, pseudo-rational (postmodern), and pseudoscientific (marxist-socialist) program.

3) I generally test my ideas in the libertarian (libertine) community precisely because libertarianism (libertinism) is an intellectual ideology: structured as a very rigid, very analytic, moral, legal, and economic argument. Libertarians (libertines) are wrong, which is why their argument fails universally in all political populations. But at least it is possible to conduct conservative argument in moral, legal, and economic terms, and develop one’s arguments there. Most of us find, that even if we produce, as you say ‘intellectual’ philosophy, but I would state as ‘ratio-empirical, moral, analytic, legal, and economic philosophy’, conservatives behave so anti-intellectually, that the advocacy of conservatism in ratio-empirical, analytic, moral, legal, and economic terms, is exasperating.

SO THE QUESTION MAY BE “WHY ARE CONSERVATIVES SO ANTI-INTELLECTUAL” rather than why are no conservative philosophers extant. I’m here. A few others are. But the conservative community does not demonstrate a demand for ‘intellectual’ arguments.  All things considered, that is not necessarily a criticism.  It just so happens that if the academy and the state conspire rather than are separated as were church and state, and in an age of expensive consumer-driven media, financed by hedonistic consumption, conservatives face a perfect storm of destructive incentives, against which traditionalism is not a sufficiently resistant means of argument, because we lack the economic means of ostracizing bad behaviors.

Curt Doolittle
The Philosophy of Aristocracy
The Propertarian Institute
Kiev, Ukraine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE WRONG QUESTION?</p>
<p>Does intellectual conservatism exist? This may be the wrong question.</p>
<p>I’ll argue that yes, intellectual conservatism does exist. Although, when you say “intellectual” it is somewhat troublesome, because it’s not sufficiently articulate for the purpose you intend. Instead, humans demonstrate the ability to argue( persuade or justify) using a limited number of frameworks – and those frameworks constitute a spectrum of complexity from the simplistically intuitive to the ratio-empirical.  The question is, what form of argument do you consider to be classifiable as intellectual, where on this spectrum to conservatives conduct their arguments, and for what reason do they fail to conduct their arguments in the manner you consider intellectual.</p>
<p>ARGUMENTATIVE SPECTRUM<br />
1) EXPRESSIVE (emotional): a type of argument where a person expresses a positive or negative opinion based upon his emotional response to the subject. While used as an argument, it is not. It is merely an opinion or expression.<br />
2) SENTIMENTAL (biological): a type of argument that relies upon one of the five (or six) human sentiments, and their artifacts as captured in human traditions, morals, or other unarticulated, but nevertheless consistently and universally demonstrated preferences and behaviors.<br />
3) MORAL (normative) : a type of argument that relies upon a set of assumedly normative rules of whose origin is either (a)socially contractual, (b)biologically natural, (c) economically necessary, or even (d)divine.<br />
4) HISTORICAL (analogical / correlative):<br />
5) RATIONAL (internally consistent)<br />
6) SCIENTIFIC (correlative and directly empirical)<br />
7) ECONOMIC: (correlative and *indirectly* empirical)<br />
8) RATIO-EMPIRICAL (Comprehensive, internally consistent and externally correspondent)</p>
<p>Conservatism, when discussed outside of economics, where it is almost never discussed, is almost always expressed in arational terms (moral argument).  Sometimes it is expressed in legal terms &#8211; the classical liberal and constitutionalist argument).  Sometimes it is expressed in what we call the Burkeian or &#8216;psychological&#8217; form of argument.  But  rarely as an analytic, scientific, or economic argument.  And never as the central propositions of conservatism &#8211; because those central propositions would be untenable to a popular democratic polity &#8211; even if they were indeed morally, economically, and politically superior.  This is because the popular democratic argument is a failed one, that is in direct conflict with conservatism as a social, economic, political and legal strategy.</p>
<p>So, conservatism is argued most often, &#8220;arationally&#8221;.  The value of conservatism, as an *ARATIONAL* social system of myths, traditions, habits, and formal institutions, is that such a structure, much like religious faith, is impervious to fashionable changes, and in particular, verbal manipulation by Schumpeterian public intellectuals. In fact, I have argued, and I think successfully, that conservatism as practiced is demonstrably scientific: evidentiary – while progressivism is demonstrably and successfully verbalist. A fact which is somewhat humorous or ironic or depressing depending upon one’s own disposition: in effect while conservatism is arationally structured, and progressivism is rationally structured, it turns out that conservatism as practiced is scientific, and progressive is unscientific (religious). Furthermore, science itself is practiced demonstrably, not argumentatively &#8211; which only serves to lend credence to the conservative prohibition on hubris, and the mandate for demonstrated results rather than verbal hypothesis.</p>
<p>THE PROBLEMS OF AN ‘INTELLECTUAL’ CONSERVATISM</p>
<p>1) Just as we solved the calculus and physics, before we solved economics and social science, conservatism has been unsolved (unarticulated in ratio-scientific terms) because it is a more complicated system than we had anticipated. And such complicated systems of thought are very hard to use in argument. Worse, they are hard to use in political argument because, under a democratic polity, we require numbers, and complicated arguments are the province of a permanent minority. Until conservatism is articulated in ratio-empirical form, and until public intellectuals can reduce those complex statements to simple narratives and memes, conservatism (Anglo-European Aristocratic Egalitarianism) is an advanced form of social order that is nearly impossible for ordinary people to argumentatively defend.</p>
<p>2) There doesn’t appear to be demand for intellectual argument in conservatism, precisely because conservatives are so dependent upon taught, learned and innate moral intuition. If conservatives cannot ‘feel’ it then they don’t trust it. This turns out to be fairly good when one prevents adding false ideas to conservatism, but it turns out to be fairly difficult to argue conservatism rationally. So therefore, as a majority, conservatism can function and persist in a body of people. But under democratic rule, cultural and political diversity, the need to argue rationally in order to produce laws, and the ability to use law to impose changes upon the body politic, conservative arationalism is a weakness because conservative principles are not sufficiently defensible against (dishonest) framing, loading, overloading, pseudo-rationalism, and pseudoscience. Which is why the 20th century has been so harmful to conservatism: the cosmopolitans were merely superior at using the media to broadcast and repeat as a mantra, nearly any framed, loaded, overloaded, pseudo-rational (postmodern), and pseudoscientific (marxist-socialist) program.</p>
<p>3) I generally test my ideas in the libertarian (libertine) community precisely because libertarianism (libertinism) is an intellectual ideology: structured as a very rigid, very analytic, moral, legal, and economic argument. Libertarians (libertines) are wrong, which is why their argument fails universally in all political populations. But at least it is possible to conduct conservative argument in moral, legal, and economic terms, and develop one’s arguments there. Most of us find, that even if we produce, as you say ‘intellectual’ philosophy, but I would state as ‘ratio-empirical, moral, analytic, legal, and economic philosophy’, conservatives behave so anti-intellectually, that the advocacy of conservatism in ratio-empirical, analytic, moral, legal, and economic terms, is exasperating.</p>
<p>SO THE QUESTION MAY BE “WHY ARE CONSERVATIVES SO ANTI-INTELLECTUAL” rather than why are no conservative philosophers extant. I’m here. A few others are. But the conservative community does not demonstrate a demand for ‘intellectual’ arguments.  All things considered, that is not necessarily a criticism.  It just so happens that if the academy and the state conspire rather than are separated as were church and state, and in an age of expensive consumer-driven media, financed by hedonistic consumption, conservatives face a perfect storm of destructive incentives, against which traditionalism is not a sufficiently resistant means of argument, because we lack the economic means of ostracizing bad behaviors.</p>
<p>Curt Doolittle<br />
The Philosophy of Aristocracy<br />
The Propertarian Institute<br />
Kiev, Ukraine.</p>
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		<title>By: Has anybody else noticed the analogies between neoreactionaries and neoconservatives? &#124; Throne and Altar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Has anybody else noticed the analogies between neoreactionaries and neoconservatives? &#124; Throne and Altar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] to be mastered if you want to be a reactionary intellectual.  Even a neoreactionary who makes a good-faith effort to find the intellectual substance of the old Reaction may not find it; they&#8217;re hardly to be [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to be mastered if you want to be a reactionary intellectual.  Even a neoreactionary who makes a good-faith effort to find the intellectual substance of the old Reaction may not find it; they&#8217;re hardly to be [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Hadley Bennett</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 04:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that that&#039;s exactly my point, though. Based on the way you framed your original post and your follow up replies in the comment section, it&#039;s extraordinarily hard to interpret it as anything other than dismissal for signalling purposes--your private thoughts on it, notwithstanding. 

I&#039;m a long-time reader of BHL. Nobody who blogs at BHL is stupid. Not self-aware, perhaps, but not stupid. This was just borne out of my frustrations with the academic posturing so endemic to the discipline. And like I said, Brian Leiter represents posturing incarnate. I guess as long as you&#039;re aware of the academic status games BHL plays, it&#039;s not as bad, but to think of it more strategic terms, there are other ways to play the game besides &#039;engage with supplication&#039; or &#039;flight and isolation&#039;. 

But academics don&#039;t usually take the time to consciously think like that because it&#039;s distasteful, despite the fact that they _do_ engage in status games. But if you&#039;re already going to play status games, might as well make them systematic and effective, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that that&#8217;s exactly my point, though. Based on the way you framed your original post and your follow up replies in the comment section, it&#8217;s extraordinarily hard to interpret it as anything other than dismissal for signalling purposes&#8211;your private thoughts on it, notwithstanding. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a long-time reader of BHL. Nobody who blogs at BHL is stupid. Not self-aware, perhaps, but not stupid. This was just borne out of my frustrations with the academic posturing so endemic to the discipline. And like I said, Brian Leiter represents posturing incarnate. I guess as long as you&#8217;re aware of the academic status games BHL plays, it&#8217;s not as bad, but to think of it more strategic terms, there are other ways to play the game besides &#8216;engage with supplication&#8217; or &#8216;flight and isolation&#8217;. </p>
<p>But academics don&#8217;t usually take the time to consciously think like that because it&#8217;s distasteful, despite the fact that they _do_ engage in status games. But if you&#8217;re already going to play status games, might as well make them systematic and effective, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Brennan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, I&#039;m not dismissing anything. Like Tyler does with Tyrone, I think there&#039;s something to the argument I presented, but I presented it an extreme way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not dismissing anything. Like Tyler does with Tyrone, I think there&#8217;s something to the argument I presented, but I presented it an extreme way.</p>
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		<title>By: excthedra</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am especially partial to de Maistre, and although his name shows up often, few people have read him at any length -- I would recommend &quot;Étude sur la souveraineté,&quot; available translated in &lt;i&gt;Against Rousseau&lt;/i&gt;. Concise, takes little for granted, and combines natural law rigor with a surprising historical sensitivity (that never descends into relativist historicism).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am especially partial to de Maistre, and although his name shows up often, few people have read him at any length &#8212; I would recommend &#8220;Étude sur la souveraineté,&#8221; available translated in <i>Against Rousseau</i>. Concise, takes little for granted, and combines natural law rigor with a surprising historical sensitivity (that never descends into relativist historicism).</p>
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		<title>By: Whither Intellectual Conservatism? &#124; Reaction Times</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Whither Intellectual Conservatism? &#124; Reaction Times]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hadley Bennett</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wanted to write a little on pre-20th century thinkers, but the post was already long enough. Basically, my problem with that approach is that (1) material conditions have changed dramatically, and (2) they took too many positions for granted--that hasn&#039;t changed much, sadly. I remember being exceedingly frustrated and disappointed when reading English conservative responses to John Stuart Mill&#039;s various works. I could be persuaded otherwise, though. I haven&#039;t read *everything*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to write a little on pre-20th century thinkers, but the post was already long enough. Basically, my problem with that approach is that (1) material conditions have changed dramatically, and (2) they took too many positions for granted&#8211;that hasn&#8217;t changed much, sadly. I remember being exceedingly frustrated and disappointed when reading English conservative responses to John Stuart Mill&#8217;s various works. I could be persuaded otherwise, though. I haven&#8217;t read *everything*.</p>
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		<title>By: excthedra</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post seems to be conflating two different questions. Where are contemporary academic conservatives, and, are there any conservative philosophers &lt;i&gt;tout court&lt;/i&gt;?

Regarding the latter, perhaps the problem is an absence of non-English sources. Of twentieth century writers, Charles Maurras was rigorous and widely intellectually respected (he was the backbone of Eliot&#039;s politics). Likewise Schmitt, who, though a legal philosopher, was certainly more philosophical in themes. Perhaps Carlist thinkers like Juan Vazquez de Mella, or economic nationalists like Othmar Spann? To say nothing of the pre-20th century philosophers, of which there are many, and many of very high intellectual stature, all rather arbitrarily excluded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post seems to be conflating two different questions. Where are contemporary academic conservatives, and, are there any conservative philosophers <i>tout court</i>?</p>
<p>Regarding the latter, perhaps the problem is an absence of non-English sources. Of twentieth century writers, Charles Maurras was rigorous and widely intellectually respected (he was the backbone of Eliot&#8217;s politics). Likewise Schmitt, who, though a legal philosopher, was certainly more philosophical in themes. Perhaps Carlist thinkers like Juan Vazquez de Mella, or economic nationalists like Othmar Spann? To say nothing of the pre-20th century philosophers, of which there are many, and many of very high intellectual stature, all rather arbitrarily excluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Asking conservatives to be good at political theory may be a little bit like asking Catholics to be good at contraception.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking conservatives to be good at political theory may be a little bit like asking Catholics to be good at contraception.</p>
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