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	<description>Not Your Grandfather&#039;s Conservatism</description>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that the answer is that if they weren&#039;t using the gimmicks, the church would be empty altogether. Better a church half-full with screeching love ballads and smoke machines than a church empty and on the verge of being closed entirely.

&quot;It engages with the complexities of tradition, history, ethnos.&quot;

That&#039;s assuming that they even value these things to begin with. Young (white) people generally dislike tradition as well as their own cultural and racial identity. Their values have been inculcated (or stripped away) by public schools. I may be wrong, but perhaps we start with helping people to become proud of their identity, their history and their heritage again? To see themselves as more than mere interchangeable economic units with no right to a place to call their own in this world?

You were right to use the word deracinated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the answer is that if they weren&#8217;t using the gimmicks, the church would be empty altogether. Better a church half-full with screeching love ballads and smoke machines than a church empty and on the verge of being closed entirely.</p>
<p>&#8220;It engages with the complexities of tradition, history, ethnos.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s assuming that they even value these things to begin with. Young (white) people generally dislike tradition as well as their own cultural and racial identity. Their values have been inculcated (or stripped away) by public schools. I may be wrong, but perhaps we start with helping people to become proud of their identity, their history and their heritage again? To see themselves as more than mere interchangeable economic units with no right to a place to call their own in this world?</p>
<p>You were right to use the word deracinated.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Escalona</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-811</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say conservatism isn&#039;t necessarily religious, but defend it as serious like religion. Isn&#039;t this just more pandering of precisely the same sort, but on the time scale of centuries rather than decades? And why should I, or anyone else, take that kind of conservatism any more seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say conservatism isn&#8217;t necessarily religious, but defend it as serious like religion. Isn&#8217;t this just more pandering of precisely the same sort, but on the time scale of centuries rather than decades? And why should I, or anyone else, take that kind of conservatism any more seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter A. Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter A. Taylor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 03:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A similar problem from a Unitarian perspective:

&quot;...many people are hungry for truths that can set them free, rather than political posturings that merely draw attention to them.&quot; -- Rev. Davidson Loehr, &quot;Why &#039;Unitarian Universalism&#039; is Dying&quot;

http://www.meadville.edu/uploads/files/101.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar problem from a Unitarian perspective:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;many people are hungry for truths that can set them free, rather than political posturings that merely draw attention to them.&#8221; &#8212; Rev. Davidson Loehr, &#8220;Why &#8216;Unitarian Universalism&#8217; is Dying&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.meadville.edu/uploads/files/101.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.meadville.edu/uploads/files/101.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Glanton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Glanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wanna-be megachurches&quot; is a perfect description. A lot of people idolize the megachurches because they&#039;re so successful at attracting members. But they don&#039;t consider the extent to which those churches have transformed their gospel into the sort of babbling marketer speak that you&#039;re talking about in order to do so. It&#039;s not a good trade. (But it is a pretty good analogy for the difference between establishment, DC Republicanism and other, regional conservatisms around the USA.)

At any rate, we&#039;re happy you found the site, too. Welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wanna-be megachurches&#8221; is a perfect description. A lot of people idolize the megachurches because they&#8217;re so successful at attracting members. But they don&#8217;t consider the extent to which those churches have transformed their gospel into the sort of babbling marketer speak that you&#8217;re talking about in order to do so. It&#8217;s not a good trade. (But it is a pretty good analogy for the difference between establishment, DC Republicanism and other, regional conservatisms around the USA.)</p>
<p>At any rate, we&#8217;re happy you found the site, too. Welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elaine Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just ran across your article by accident this morning.  I also have been a member of an SBC Baptist church (not all Baptist churches are SBC---you probably know that) all my life.  We have recently &#039;dropped&#039; out of our church because of exactly what you have described in your article.  Every Baptist church around here (small town Alabama) is like this---they are &#039;seeker-sensitive&#039;, they are &#039;wanna-be&#039; megachurches.  I never have understood why they call the music the &#039;worship&#039; service.  One church here has on their website the following, &quot;Please dress comfortably. You’ll notice a range of clothing from shorts and t-shirts to Sunday best.&quot; Key words that I can&#039;t stand to read or hear are: authentic relationships, authentic gospel, missional, community, passionate, awesome. Like all the previous generations of Christians weren&#039;t?   These go along with all the &#039;green&#039; words I also hate, sustainable, organic, etc.   Church has become a place to be entertained, there is no more dignity and reverence---even with the preacher.  He is more of a stand-up comedian. I think you hit the nail on the head with, &quot;their unwillingness to engage in rigorous intellectual endeavor&quot;. Thank you for letting me ramble and so happy to have found this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ran across your article by accident this morning.  I also have been a member of an SBC Baptist church (not all Baptist churches are SBC&#8212;you probably know that) all my life.  We have recently &#8216;dropped&#8217; out of our church because of exactly what you have described in your article.  Every Baptist church around here (small town Alabama) is like this&#8212;they are &#8216;seeker-sensitive&#8217;, they are &#8216;wanna-be&#8217; megachurches.  I never have understood why they call the music the &#8216;worship&#8217; service.  One church here has on their website the following, &#8220;Please dress comfortably. You’ll notice a range of clothing from shorts and t-shirts to Sunday best.&#8221; Key words that I can&#8217;t stand to read or hear are: authentic relationships, authentic gospel, missional, community, passionate, awesome. Like all the previous generations of Christians weren&#8217;t?   These go along with all the &#8216;green&#8217; words I also hate, sustainable, organic, etc.   Church has become a place to be entertained, there is no more dignity and reverence&#8212;even with the preacher.  He is more of a stand-up comedian. I think you hit the nail on the head with, &#8220;their unwillingness to engage in rigorous intellectual endeavor&#8221;. Thank you for letting me ramble and so happy to have found this site.</p>
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		<title>By: John Glanton</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Glanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha. Overall, I like the neoreactionary critique of creeping ideological equalism. But I do think there are a lot of other important factors in play as well, which I&#039;m sure Mr. Steves would grant.

Aside from progressivism and rampant neoconnery, I would say a big problem with the Southern Baptist conference is their unwillingness to engage in rigorous intellectual endeavor. Southerners have long distrusted the efficacy of pure speculation. And I think that&#039;s generally a sanguine and healthy skepticism. In contemporary America, though, in the absence of a rich aesthetic culture, such an aversion to philosophy makes you vulnerable to the sort of jingoism and sloganeering that obtain in so much Southern Baptist thought today. They need a little of that long-hated intellectualism to bring them back into balance. That&#039;s my two cents at least.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha. Overall, I like the neoreactionary critique of creeping ideological equalism. But I do think there are a lot of other important factors in play as well, which I&#8217;m sure Mr. Steves would grant.</p>
<p>Aside from progressivism and rampant neoconnery, I would say a big problem with the Southern Baptist conference is their unwillingness to engage in rigorous intellectual endeavor. Southerners have long distrusted the efficacy of pure speculation. And I think that&#8217;s generally a sanguine and healthy skepticism. In contemporary America, though, in the absence of a rich aesthetic culture, such an aversion to philosophy makes you vulnerable to the sort of jingoism and sloganeering that obtain in so much Southern Baptist thought today. They need a little of that long-hated intellectualism to bring them back into balance. That&#8217;s my two cents at least.</p>
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		<title>By: JPOutlook</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JPOutlook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 01:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Steves&quot; says to shut up and take what&#039;s coming to you, Glanton. :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Steves&#8221; says to shut up and take what&#8217;s coming to you, Glanton. <img src="http://www.socialmatter.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":-D" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Nick B. Steves</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmatter.net/2014/06/11/losing-slowly/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B. Steves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The GOP and the SBC (and just about every other institution in the US) are culturally descended from New England Levellers. It is no accident they are at once very similar on a deep level, and heading in the same direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP and the SBC (and just about every other institution in the US) are culturally descended from New England Levellers. It is no accident they are at once very similar on a deep level, and heading in the same direction.</p>
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		<title>By: On Pandering &#124; Reaction Times</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On Pandering &#124; Reaction Times]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Facelifts don’t really befit its dignity. &#124; gaikokumaniakku</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Facelifts don’t really befit its dignity. &#124; gaikokumaniakku]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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