Thanks for the response, I totally agree with everything you said, but I think you’ve misunderstood what I’m saying, I’ll try again…….

Of course liberalism is insane, of course liberals are unhappy, of course every liberal experiment has been a disaster ….. there’s absolutely no doubt about this, anyone who is sane can see it…….

What I’m saying is that the people who are introducing these policies, the people who control our media and our monetary system know that liberalism is poison, they know that feminism is poison, they know that the gay agenda is poison, they know that the new core curriculum for schools is poison – that’s the point they are trying to destroy us….

Often I think we fall into the trap of believing that liberals, although insane, are just misled or wrong. I think this is true for the lower level liberals such as the ones we get in arguments with on forums or in real life…. However, the people behind liberalism and who own our media know exactly what they are doing, they are waging war on us and trying to destroy the family – the cornerstone of our civilization.

These people are not white Christians.

I think once we see things like this we really begin to understand the magnitude of the problem….it’s not just a case of showing liberals where they are wrong, it’s the case of over coming a hostile enemy…..

I know many people who know that liberalism is crazy, however I know hardly anyone who knows that the people behind liberalism are at war with us…….

Not to mention the pathologization of leftists own recent selves. For example, it is easy to find eloquent statements in defense of marriage as an exclusive union of a man and a woman made recently by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and a majority of sitting Democratic senators. DOMA after all passed in the mid 1990s with > 80% of senators supporting.

They seem to think their enemy is the political right, when their real enemy is human nature. In this, liberals are in a war they can never win.

The extreme of the political right (or at least one extreme) is utter localism, such as the Swiss canton system, or a small midwestern town of churchgoers. It would be hard to find an arrangement that is more sane, or more historically stable.

The extremes of the political left are genuinely insane. One hundred million deaths from Communism in the 20th century alone along with the destruction of the economies across half the globe attests to this. Causes such as ‘transgender rights’ or blank slatism, built as they are upon biological premises that are trivially disproved attests to the insanity. A perspective that 100% of our ancestors would be beyond the pale for their ordinary worldviews is insanity.

This is not a matter of opinion. Liberals really are very unhappy:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/conservatives-are-happier-and-extremists-are-happiest-of-all.html?_r=0

And they are not well mentally:
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/survey-shows-liberals-are-more-prone-to-mental-ins-29353022/

I got these links by googling ‘depression conservatives’ and ‘happiness liberals’ just to show I am not getting cherry-picked search results.

I think it points to geniune belief in a blank slate theory, and hence the feasablility of creating a new socialist man. People who don’t fit their idealized mold just need al little more work; a little more “education” to overcome thier culturally inherited imperfections.

What you’re saying ties into the idea that liberals are simply wrong, or misled, or naive, deranged, etc……

I think this viewpoint is flawed. The people behind liberal propaganda (ie the people pulling the strings behind the establishment) know exactly what they are doing, they know that their ideas are destructive and unhealthy.

For example, they don’t naively believe that mass third-world immigration is a good idea for America and Europe (the idea is insane), instead they are deliberately using mass third-world immigration to divide and conquer and eliminate the power of their only potential enemy.

Of course many white Americans and Europeans swallow the propaganda, but these guys are just pawns, if they do have any influence it is only because it has been gifted to them……. even if you do win an argument with these people and return them to their senses it doesn’t change anything as they have no real power……….

However, the people who are creating the propaganda and who own the media know that their memes are destructive – its psychological warfare and they’re fucking good at it……. they’re not trying to create utopia, they’re trying to destroy us……..

The right approach (from the liberal point of view) to non-liberals can’t be to argue with them in good faith: it has to be to cure them of their illness or, absent that, to put them out of their misery.

This is definitely a theme I’ll return to.